RMweb Premium iands Posted August 17, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 17, 2020 Having looked at the Quail maps, I count 51 tunnels with at least one portal within the Yorkshire county boundary. These are current operational tunnels on the network and do not include any redundant tunnels (i.e. lines that have closed), or any tunnels on heritage lines. Yes, I will admit that one or two might be contentious because of boundary changes etc. Incidentally, the Cobb historical atlas lists 882 tunnels, excluding LUL tunnels. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TheQ Posted August 17, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 17, 2020 All I know is.... It ain't Norfolk... 1 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiftyfour fiftyfour Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, TheQ said: All I know is.... It ain't Norfolk... and it's only not Devon because of its lack of railways! And I'm counting the five between Dawlish and Teignmouth as five because they all have separate names... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, russ p said: What county is Redhills tunnel in near trent? 6 hours ago, pH said: Leicestershire. Nottinghamshire. Where the Soar joins the Trent, about 200 yards west of where the Midland bridges it, is the meeting point of Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire and Leicestershire. The MML is in Nottinghamshire from that crossing until it crosses the Soar north of Loughborough. This tunnel has separate bores for fast and slow lines - does it count as two? 1 hour ago, iands said: Having looked at the Quail maps, I count 51 tunnels with at least one portal within the Yorkshire county boundary. Is that the pre-1974 Yorkshire, one of the Ridings thereof, or one or all of the present day counties that claim to be parts of Yorkshire? Edited August 17, 2020 by Edwin_m 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted August 17, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 17, 2020 4 hours ago, cb900f said: half of Totley, Cowburn, Doveholes, Duckmanton , Alfreton, Rowthorne, Shirland. Bromhouse and Ambergate before they took the top off. Not sure about Disley and New mills ? Possibly also south end of Bradway. Of course when they were built both Totley and Bradway would have been completely in Derbyshire as the county boundary with the dee daas sorry Yorkshire was at Heeley . Pete I think (but may be wrong) that both Disley tunnels are in Cheshire. New Mills is probably Derbyshire. There are a couple more on the Buxton line, and the long-disused Buxton tunnel (not sure of its name) and Hopton Tunnel on the Cromford and High Peak line. There was also a tunnel at Buxworth until it got opened up (presumably when the line was upped to four tracks). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastworld Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 2 hours ago, TheQ said: All I know is.... It ain't Norfolk... Slight thread drift alert: I can only think of one - Cromer on the Mundesley line, unless you count the Bure Valley one under the Aylsham by-pass. Stu 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted August 17, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 17, 2020 58 minutes ago, Edwin_m said: Nottinghamshire. Where the Soar joins the Trent, about 200 yards west of where the Midland bridges it, is the meeting point of Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire and Leicestershire. The MML is in Nottinghamshire from that crossing until it crosses the Soar north of Loughborough. This tunnel has separate bores for fast and slow lines - does it count as two? Is that the pre-1974 Yorkshire, one of the Ridings thereof, or one or all of the present day counties that claim to be parts of Yorkshire? Hi Edwin_m, I've assumed the boundaries that make up "whole" of modern Yorkshire of North, East, South and West Yorkshire, including the area of north Humberside (not that there are any in that part of the County that I can see). Yes there will be discrepancies with these areas when compared to the historical 3 Ridings (pre 1974), but I imagine that that debate could go on for an awful long time. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted August 17, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 17, 2020 (edited) I've cheated. Wikipedia has a list of tunnels in the UK, that can be sorted by (present-day) county. There are 49 tunnels listed wholely or partly in Derbyshire (barring miscounting on my part) against 30 in Yorkshire - West, South, North and East. This list is not exclusively railway tunnels, of course. For example, Oxfordshire claims only 4, of which one is the Bodleian Library tunnel. Edited August 17, 2020 by Compound2632 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted August 17, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: I've cheated. Wikipedia has a list of tunnels in the UK, that can be sorted by (present-day) county. There are 49 tunnels listed wholely or partly in Derbyshire (barring miscounting on my part) against 30 in Yorkshire - West, South, North and East. This list is not exclusively railway tunnels, of course. For example, Oxfordshire claims only 4, of which one is the Bodleian Library tunnel. The Wikipedia list for West Yorkshire is woefully short ... no mention of Elland, Salterhebble, Bradley, Morley, Baildon, Shipley, Bingley, Springs, Gledholt, Wortley .... to name but a few. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, iands said: The Wikipedia list for West Yorkshire is woefully short ... no mention of Elland, Salterhebble, Bradley, Morley, Baildon, Shipley, Bingley, Springs, Gledholt, Wortley .... to name but a few. Bingley and Thackley Tunnels are listed. However Shipley, Baildon, Guiseley and Yeadons various tunnels are not listed 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Reorte said: I think (but may be wrong) that both Disley tunnels are in Cheshire. New Mills is probably Derbyshire. There are a couple more on the Buxton line, and the long-disused Buxton tunnel (not sure of its name) and Hopton Tunnel on the Cromford and High Peak line. There was also a tunnel at Buxworth until it got opened up (presumably when the line was upped to four tracks). Disley itself is in Cheshire, as is the tunnel on the Buxton line, but the tunnel on the ex-Midland route crosses the boundary into Greater Manchester. The Buxton line goes into Derbyshire just before New Mills Newtown and most of New Mills is in that county. 1 hour ago, iands said: Hi Edwin_m, I've assumed the boundaries that make up "whole" of modern Yorkshire of North, East, South and West Yorkshire, including the area of north Humberside (not that there are any in that part of the County that I can see). Yes there will be discrepancies with these areas when compared to the historical 3 Ridings (pre 1974), but I imagine that that debate could go on for an awful long time. On those criteria I would think Yorkshire wins by being hilly, but also at least three times as big as a typical county. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Reorte said: I think (but may be wrong) that both Disley tunnels are in Cheshire. New Mills is probably Derbyshire. There are a couple more on the Buxton line, and the long-disused Buxton tunnel (not sure of its name) and Hopton Tunnel on the Cromford and High Peak line. There was also a tunnel at Buxworth until it got opened up (presumably when the line was upped to four tracks). I count it 49 from the Wiki list (not including tramways) for Derbyshire BUT....... Take off the two Redhill Tunnels (not Derbyshire), add three for Woodhead (they put it in the Yorkshire part of the list), add another one for Alfreton (two tunnels). Then there's the opened out ones at Buxworth, Broomhouse and Ambergate. So I make it 54. Edit - However, as the third Woodhead Tunnel opened in 1954, there would've only been 53 open at the same time (I think...........) Edited August 17, 2020 by Peter Kazmierczak 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted August 17, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 17, 2020 4 hours ago, eastworld said: Slight thread drift alert: I can only think of one - Cromer on the Mundesley line, unless you count the Bure Valley one under the Aylsham by-pass. Stu There was and its still there, the cut and cover under cromer high but there was a real tunnel that was reasonably long between fakenham and Walsingham which the LNER opened out I believe in the 30s And there was an unbuilt proposal to link Thorpe and city stations in Norwich with a semicircular tunnel under mousehold similar to the link between Bransty and Corkicle in whitehaven Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted August 17, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 17, 2020 So do we think Derbyshire is a winner? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 12 minutes ago, russ p said: So do we think Derbyshire is a winner? It seems to be locked in a vicious battle with Yorkshire which seems to be dependent on how your define Yorkshire. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 5 hours ago, Edwin_m said: Nottinghamshire. Where the Soar joins the Trent, about 200 yards west of where the Midland bridges it, is the meeting point of Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire and Leicestershire. The MML is in Nottinghamshire from that crossing until it crosses the Soar north of Loughborough. I sit corrected! I thought the Soar was completely in Leicestershire, not a boundary. So I thought, on the occasions when I was in the Trent Lock, that everything I was looking at on the other side of the Trent was Leicestershire. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted August 17, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 17, 2020 22 minutes ago, Aire Head said: It seems to be locked in a vicious battle with Yorkshire which seems to be dependent on how your define Yorkshire. But Yorkshire is made up of three different counties Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 23 minutes ago, russ p said: But Yorkshire is made up of three different counties Yorkshire is one county made up of three Ridings 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 23 minutes ago, russ p said: But Yorkshire is made up of three different counties Not when I were a lad ! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted August 17, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, Aire Head said: Yorkshire is one county made up of three Ridings In the old days, but to make things simple I was thinking present day counties. Although it does pain me as I'm from North Yorkshire that Derbyshire seems to have the most! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Aire Head said: Yorkshire is one county made up of three Ridings But each Riding had its own "county council". I remember WRCC on the school pencils and on the road lamps we fished out of the river behind the council depot... Edited August 17, 2020 by Edwin_m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted August 17, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Edwin_m said: But each Riding had its own "county council". I remember WRCC on the school pencils and on the road lamps we fished out of the river behind the council depot... I remember NRCC on school cutlery Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium figworthy Posted August 17, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 17, 2020 15 minutes ago, Edwin_m said: But each Riding had its own "county council". I remember WRCC on the school pencils and on the road lamps we fished out of the river behind the council depot... And there were county boroughs in addition to the Ridings. Leeds was geographically within the West Riding, but was not part of it for administrative purposes, likewise York had a boundary with all three Ridings. Sadly with the passing of the years I can't remember which other county boroughs existed (Sheffield ?). Adrian 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted August 17, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 hour ago, russ p said: But Yorkshire is made up of three different counties No it is not. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted August 17, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 17, 2020 Just now, iands said: No it is not. Go on Ian..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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