York station in the 1950's.

[sandwich station]

Peter, some excellent modelling here. Looking forward to seeing the finished product. 

[kirtleypete]

I've about finished the row of houses, and now I need to wait for all the fun stuff to arrive for the gardens. I won't fix them to the baseboard until that's all complete, and then I can add the rest of the model around them in situ. 

 

Paul pointed out that dormer windows in York are glazed on the sides, called 'York Lights', so I've altered them to reflect that. 

 

 

The model is at the correct level now, the water will be at baseboard level. 

 

 

 

 

 

The bridge piers are the next job, and then I can think about modelling the river itself.

 

Peter

[Rowsley17D]

Quite stunning. Are those setts the grassy ones as on your website? 

 

[kirtleypete]

Yes, reduced in size for 4mm scale. They are very like what is on the river bank today, although who knows what it looked like in the 1950's. No doubt a picture will turn up when it's all finished,

 

Peter

[acg5324]

Absolutely superb stuff. Stunning modelling.

[kirtleypete]

That's very good of you - it is greatly appreciated.

 

We have decided that the terrace needs a little light weathering so it doesn't stand out too much from the rest of the layout, so that's a job for today.

 

Peter

[Colombo1]

That's truly remarkable. I lived just across the River Ouse and the Station and surrounding buildings were a happy hunting ground for me. I have been building my model for 20 years. Currently i.am on with the 1951 colour light signalling.

Edited October 21, 2020 by Colombo1
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[kirtleypete]

It was a great relief to my customer when he found that he could use colour light signals!  

 

With all you people on here that know York so well I'm going to have to keep on top of things! I'm working on the piers for the river bridge at the moment. 

 

Peter

[kirtleypete]

I've put together the piers for the river bridge. 

 

 

This is the centre pier with the wooden protection around it. 

 

 

 

None if them are fixed at this point, I need to model the river banks and bed first. Having built it I realise that the centre pier is too straight so I'll me remaking it tomorrow.

 

 

They look a bit odd without the river banks on either side. 

 

 

 

The missing rectangle bottom left will be filled in before I do the river itself. 

 

Peter

Edited October 21, 2020 by kirtleypete

[Colombo1]

There is an original feature of York Station (one of many) that appeals to me and I wondered for a long time how I would be able to replicate it. It is the North Eastern Railway foliated monogram signal brackets which have to be retained as part of the original Grade 2 listed building. They have been retained and now carry TV screens. The photo shows the intricate detail.

My son has successfully 3D printed some from the photograph

[kirtleypete]

Would he like to do some for us? It's one of the things I've been wondering how to reproduce. 

 

Peter

[kirtleypete]

The aluminium sheet and the backscenes have arrived, adding a splash of colour! 

 

 

I gave the river bed two thick coats of matt brown emulsion, and then have sprayed on top of that in shades of brown and green. The polyurethane varnish I use for water will have a brown tint which will blend it all together and reduce the brightness. 

 

 

The 09mm aluminium sheet is cut to size and the back covered with Unibond gel glue ready to be stuck to the MDF.  The sheet can be cut easily with a Stanley knife. 

 

 

 

The self adhesive backscene sticks beautifully to the smooth aluminium. Hopefully the bubble will disappear, but otherwise I'll prick it and smooth it off. 

 

 

Peter

[Rowsley17D]

Those ID Backscenes look good. I used Hills & Dales on my last layout. I was going to ask which scene you used but I see from the ID website that there is a new one (to me) Just Trees which will be ideal for my current build, thanks for sharing.

 

Do you know how the turnout on the bridge will be operated as there seems little depth to hide a motor/servo. DCC Concepts working point rodding?

Edited October 22, 2020 by Rowsley17D

[kirtleypete]

It's a beauty, ideal for this situation. I've taken advantage of the sunshine to photograph the board with all the parts in place:

 

 

I didn't make the green wide enough on the right!

 

 

 

Peter

 

[Colombo]

In the 1950s there were few if any trees on the East bank of the Ouse

 I remember school playing fields in the distance. Presumably Mill Mount and St. Peter's. 

The river was pretty lifeless due to pollution with Industrial waste and sewage, although not as bad as the Fosse. No grass grew near the edges  bearing in mind the normal rise and fall.

Louis Heath

HMRS 6329

[kirtleypete]

 I appreciate that things will have changed over the last sixty years Louis, but I needed to get on with the model and thought that just a sky background would look very plain.  I am also going to need trees to disguise the hole in the backscene where the tracks pass through and the ends of the houses.

 

Given that my river is going to curve sharply in the wrong direction, I can live with the trees!

Peter

 

 

[Colombo1]

I think it was the railway and the sugar beet factory that polluted the Ouse upstream of York.

There was a lot of Rose Bay Willow Herb beside the river  particularly on the west bank.

[David Bell]

This is really high quality modelling. Stunning. Am enjoying watching this grow

Cheers David

[kirtleypete]

We certainly thought the water ought to be a mucky brown rather than bright blue!  Rose Bay ought to be do-able, I'll have a go at that.

 

Peter

[hmrspaul]

I wonder if the river was so full of soil runoff in the period you are modelling? Nowadays the river takes a lot of field water because the fields were drained under MAFF grants, but there would have been less of that in the uplands in the 1950s. It is certainly very 'brown' these days. On the otherhand there may have been industry up river that coloured the water. If we were open I'd ask my local club members whom have lived here since the 1950s. 

 

Paul

[john new]

A lot of the feed water to the Ouse is peat runoff so naturally brown. It also carries a fair bit of silt, IIRC from when I lived in the area the mud banks further upstream towards Linton Lock are called clay huts and in the past were dredged from time to time by the Reklaw barge.

 

Edited October 23, 2020 by john new

[iands]

1 hour ago, hmrspaul said:

I wonder if the river was so full of soil runoff in the period you are modelling? Nowadays the river takes a lot of field water because the fields were drained under MAFF grants, but there would have been less of that in the uplands in the 1950s. It is certainly very 'brown' these days. On the otherhand there may have been industry up river that coloured the water. If we were open I'd ask my local club members whom have lived here since the 1950s. 

 

Paul

I wonder if there was "seasonal" run-off from the sugar beet factory when that was in full flow. The Ing Cliffe Drain looks, that ran through the factory site before the factory was built, might have served as drain for the factory with outflow access to the river via a culvert under the railway?

[kirtleypete]

Well, the river is staying the colour it is now because I've put on the first of many coats of varnish. All the various components are stuck in place and the detailing has begun, although I've run out of foliage. I've had to photograph the board indoors as it's raining again, hence the odd reflections. 

 

 

The bridge girders are on order from York Modelmaking (very appropriate!), and until they arrive I won't do any more to the bridge. 

 

 

The gardens have been detailed with items from Model Scenery Supplies,  with figures hopefully arriving tomorrow.

 

 

This corner is severely reduced in size, but the basics are correct. 

 

 

 

 

Peter

[figworthy]

4 hours ago, john new said:

IIRC from when I lived in the area the mud banks further upstream towards Linton Lock are called clay huts and in the past were dredged from time to time by the Reklaw barge.

 

 

Reklaw wasn't dredging the clay huts, but was dredging up sand and gravel, which Walkers (see what they did there ?) then sold.

 

Adrian

[john new]

6 minutes ago, figworthy said:

 

Reklaw wasn't dredging the clay huts, but was dredging up sand and gravel, which Walkers (see what they did there ?) then sold.

 

Adrian

 

Thanks for the correction regarding my memory of what Walker's were dredging, and yes I did know why it was the Reklaw. Confirms though that the Ouse above York was/is a silt laden river.

 

Edited October 23, 2020 by john new