kirtleypete Posted December 12, 2020 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 Yes, that's right; if you didn't know what had been there you'd never guess. Peter 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheatley Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) The bases for the cast iron gateposts, just visible on the extreme left of your aerial pic, are still there buried below the pavement. There is one amongst the collection of stop valves and manhole covers between the current car park wall and the Marble Arch, York Water Works had some fun routing their mains pipes around it when they were putting those in. From the size of the base I would say they were similar to the extant ones outside the NRM main entrance. Edited December 12, 2020 by Wheatley 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirtleypete Posted December 12, 2020 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 I'd love to be able to include those on the model but I don't think there will be room. The same applies to the various small buildings by the entrance, which were presumably coal merchant's offices and the like. Peter 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted December 12, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, kirtleypete said: I'd love to be able to include those on the model but I don't think there will be room. The same applies to the various small buildings by the entrance, which were presumably coal merchant's offices and the like. Peter In your last photo (the B&W one), at the centre left, in the vicinity of the single story building with the two windows, was a weighbridge. The remains of which lasted long after the buildings were demolished. Don't know if your client would like to include it - more work for you though if he does, sorry! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirtleypete Posted December 12, 2020 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) I thought there must be one; space is pretty tight on that part of the layout so we'll have to see, but it looks like we will have room for the gates and some buildings. Are these the gateposts? Pretty solid, aren't they! Peter Edited December 12, 2020 by kirtleypete 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted December 12, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 hour ago, kirtleypete said: I thought there must be one; space is pretty tight on that part of the layout so we'll have to see, but it looks like we will have room for the gates and some buildings. Are these the gateposts? Pretty solid, aren't they! Peter Hi Peter, For the period you are modelling, behind the left-hand gate (where the vehicles are parked - circled in red on attached photo) there was a concrete air-raid shelter, the end that would be nearest the camera was the S&T time office (clocked on/off there a few hundred times). Obviously it was modified after the war to create the time office (i.e. internally to create an "in" and "out" door, and a false wall to create a window for distributing wages on pay day). I seem to recall it was quite a long building, may be 20 yards or so, but the time office only occupied approximately a quarter, or even a third, of the total length. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted December 12, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 12, 2020 Hi Peter, Re the "weighbridge", it would appear there were originally two, as per the map from the NLS site. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirtleypete Posted December 12, 2020 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 That's interesting - it looks as though only two tracks actually run over the coal calls, the others are on solid ground to the side. I thought four seemed a lot. Peter 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheatley Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 That's them. The octagonal base is sawn off (flame cut ?) a few inches below the tarmac. If you drive down the car park in Streetview the ends of the supporting timbers and the pad stones for the girder rails are still there (just visible below the foliage) along with the arch spring for the end cells. The pad stones suggest two roads over the cells. I suspect the outer two roads on the NRM side are on what is now the top car park access road. Its hard to see on streetview but dead obvious whan you're walking along it, but there is a distinct hump in the coal cell sidings still reflected in the retaining wall. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirtleypete Posted December 12, 2020 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 That's the picture I wish I'd taken in August! Thanks, Peter 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirtleypete Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 I've been able to fit the windows to the water tower - just a few panels still to come and then I can weather it. The 'water' just rests in place, it's not fixed. Peter 5 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirtleypete Posted December 15, 2020 Author Share Posted December 15, 2020 I've just found these two pictures on Youtube - Both date from the 1970's; there are some classic vehicles! Peter 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted December 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 15, 2020 Makes me feel very old. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirtleypete Posted December 15, 2020 Author Share Posted December 15, 2020 I know the feeling! Apart from the missing tank panels the water tower is about finished. My customer and I had a discussion about the water; he asked me to give it a green tinge, which I did by painting a thin wash onto the back of the sheet of clear plastic. I wanted to make sure that the detail inside the tank could still be seen: It's difficult to photograph, but looking at it you can see the strengthening ribs. I have to admit that I think the water would be clear, it empties and fills so often there wouldn't be time for it to grow algae or whatever. At the end of the day, though, it's not my model. Peter 7 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted December 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 15, 2020 I agree with you, Peter. Those last two photos look as though the tank has a solid green roof/covering. Would it look better if the bottom and insides of the tank were green with a clear plastic water sheet? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted December 15, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 15, 2020 On 12/11/2020 at 18:55, acg5324 said: Amazing how much railway has disappeared from around York station. And how the city has grown! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted December 15, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 15, 2020 On 02/12/2020 at 14:45, kirtleypete said: Why is it that as soon as you publish something you go back, look at a picture and realise it's not correct?! These two pictures are the best I have seen of the 1904 footbridge as it was before the welded structure replaced it. My understanding is that the footbridge has not been replaced! What was necessary however was to trim the depth of the horizontal girders at the time of electrification and this in turn meant an additional centre support had to be inserted on the site of the removed through lines. That plus the fact that it either never had (or they were destroyed in WW2) ornate parapets means the footbridge we see today looks very much like a modern structure. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirtleypete Posted December 15, 2020 Author Share Posted December 15, 2020 (edited) It's got a complicated history, which I think I've finally pieced together. Until 1904 there was subway, and in 1904 a footbridge was built that was to the side of the signal box. The was replaced in the 1930's by the present bridge (which explains the art deco flourishes that I'd been puzzling over), and this was modified as you say when the lines were electrified. The new bridge was built in a slightly different position to allow the 1904 one to remain in use until the new one was ready. Peter Edited December 15, 2020 by kirtleypete 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted December 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, kirtleypete said: It's got a complicated history, which I think I've finally pieced together. Until 1904 there was subway, and in 1904 a footbridge was built that was to the side of the signal box. The was replaced in the 1930's by the present bridge (which explains the art deco flourishes that I'd been puzzling over), and this was modified as you say when the lines were electrified. The new bridge was built in a slightly different position to allow the 1904 one to remain in use until the new one was ready. Peter And the subway is still there. Not walked through it for a while but it certainly was available for public use a year or two back when I Iast tried to do so. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted December 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 15, 2020 I am guessing you know this already, so apologies if it is an egg-sucking note, but at least two of the decorative mouldings around the roof support pillars were not replaced in the post-war rebuild. They were/are located close to the buffers of the south end bay platform (east side). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted December 15, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 15, 2020 There are currently two passenger subways in use at York station. One (to the south) of the footbridge extends from platform 3 to platform 10/11 (with intermediate access to platform 5), and one (to the north of the footbridge) extends from platform 3 to platform 5 only. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denbridge Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 On 12/12/2020 at 14:16, kirtleypete said: That's interesting - it looks as though only two tracks actually run over the coal calls, the others are on solid ground to the side. I thought four seemed a lot. Peter Aren't there 4 tracks, separated by a roadway shown on the map? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirtleypete Posted December 16, 2020 Author Share Posted December 16, 2020 Yes, there were coal drops on each side each with two tracks. We've only got room for one on the model though. Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirtleypete Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 We have received the first drawing for the roof parts: It should look spectacular! Peter 5 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kirtleypete Posted December 19, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 19, 2020 The coal drops are about finished: The coal is Woodland Scenics. Peter 22 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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