York station in the 1950's.

[Rowsley17D]

Great to see the topic revived and work in progress. I am not a bit jealous of the space and budget  for this great layout (I'm lying of course.)

[David Bell]

Great to see you guys up and running again.

Cheers

David

[JustinDean]

Great to see this thread running again!

Jay

 

[kirtleypete]

I have spent the last couple of days getting everything clear in my hear before starting work, as well as ordering the laser cut roof girders. 

 

The shed was rebuilt in the late 50's in a very pale brick which it is important to copy, particularly as it wouldn't have had time to get dirty. The photo below suggests that the power station that was adjacent to the shed was partly rebuilt at the same time, and in the same brick.....very useful as it is still there. 

 

Look on the left; the difference between the original wall and the new section is really clear.

 

 

The engine shed is behind the power station. This colour picture shows the new structure nicely and the brick is clearly lighter than the old part of the power station.

 

 

I did a screen cap from Google street view of Leeman Road:

 

 

The power station is on the left. Below is the best image I could get of the brick wall - unfortunately it was taken on a really bright day and there is too much glare.

 

 

I used the image to produce this brick paper but i don't think it's useable.

 

 

I found two other images of similar brick walls as in the sample below and I think the bottom one will be OK to use.

 

 

It can be lightened a bit and then should look fine.

 

Peter

 

[Dylan Sanderson]

6 minutes ago, kirtleypete said:

 

That's an ace photo! I love the Ruston piggy backing!

[kirtleypete]

Make a great train for the layout, wouldn't it.

 

I've been putting together the long girders that span the shed and support the roof. The roof will sit on these but be removable to give access to the shed. 

 

 

 

The starting point was Plastruct girders.

 

 

 

I had three packs and will need three more to complete the shed.

 

 

 

Two more to make!

 

Peter

Edited October 13, 2021 by kirtleypete

[JustinDean]

3 hours ago, kirtleypete said:

I have spent the last couple of days getting everything clear in my hear before starting work, as well as ordering the laser cut roof girders. 

 

The shed was rebuilt in the late 50's in a very pale brick which it is important to copy, particularly as it wouldn't have had time to get dirty. The photo below suggests that the power station that was adjacent to the shed was partly rebuilt at the same time, and in the same brick.....very useful as it is still there. 

 

Look on the left; the difference between the original wall and the new section is really clear.

 

 

The engine shed is behind the power station. This colour picture shows the new structure nicely and the brick is clearly lighter than the old part of the power station.

 

 

I did a screen cap from Google street view of Leeman Road:

 

 

The power station is on the left. Below is the best image I could get of the brick wall - unfortunately it was taken on a really bright day and there is too much glare.

 

 

I used the image to produce this brick paper but i don't think it's useable.

 

 

I found two other images of similar brick walls as in the sample below and I think the bottom one will be OK to use.

 

 

It can be lightened a bit and then should look fine.

 

Peter

 

Great to see the start of the next chapter of this model!

I’m sure you’re already aware but just in case the two samples at the bottom of your post have a different bond to the power station. 
 

Jay

[kirtleypete]

I know but I thought it was more important to get the colour right. Hopefully once it's reduced to 4mm it won't be too obvious.

 

Peter

[kirtleypete]

I've made a start on the shed walls; they may need to be higher, I'm not sure at the moment. The gap in the back wall is where the straight shed will be.

 

 

 

 

 

Peter

[kirtleypete]

I've begin detailing the first wall; I'll do each one before assembling them around the base.

 

 

Peter

[Rowsley17D]

Home-made windows, Peter?

[kirtleypete]

Yes, I couldn't find anything the right size ready made. It's a sheet of 2mm clear plastic the full size of the wall with the glazing bars stuck in place one at a time. The bright white is going to need toning down in due course. The clear plastic is very rigid so it adds strength to the wall which is useful while it's not glued in place. 

 

Peter

[iands]

On 13/10/2021 at 11:24, kirtleypete said:

I have spent the last couple of days getting everything clear in my hear before starting work, as well as ordering the laser cut roof girders. 

 

The shed was rebuilt in the late 50's in a very pale brick which it is important to copy, particularly as it wouldn't have had time to get dirty. The photo below suggests that the power station that was adjacent to the shed was partly rebuilt at the same time, and in the same brick.....very useful as it is still there. 

 

Look on the left; the difference between the original wall and the new section is really clear.

 

 

The engine shed is behind the power station. This colour picture shows the new structure nicely and the brick is clearly lighter than the old part of the power station.

 

 

I did a screen cap from Google street view of Leeman Road:

 

 

The power station is on the left. Below is the best image I could get of the brick wall - unfortunately it was taken on a really bright day and there is too much glare.

 

 

I used the image to produce this brick paper but i don't think it's useable.

 

 

I found two other images of similar brick walls as in the sample below and I think the bottom one will be OK to use.

 

 

It can be lightened a bit and then should look fine.

 

Peter

 

Hi Peter, 

Great to see the next chapter in the development of this epic layout. Apologies for going slightly off topic, but I am curious to see you refer to the building in front of the loco shed as the "power station". I worked in that building for a few months in the mid-70s (York 'North End' S&T Lineman's accommodation) and would not have described it as a former power station. Do you have any references to the buildings former/original life? Just interested, that's all. 

[kirtleypete]

The building was erected in 1877 as a hydraulic power house Ian, which originally had a tall accumulator tower, and a tall chimney.   Which is why we refer to it as the power station.   We think the building was repurposed and the hydraulic tower and chimney reduced in height about the same time as the conversion of roundhouses 1 & 2 into a straight shed and repair workshop in 1958, when the whole shed received its new roof.   The North Eastern Railway Association publication ‘North Eastern Railway Engine Sheds’ published in 2020, edited by John F Addyman is our main source for this, should that be of interest to you.   

 

Peter

 

 

[iands]

18 minutes ago, kirtleypete said:

The building was erected in 1877 as a hydraulic power house Ian, which originally had a tall accumulator tower, and a tall chimney.   Which is why we refer to it as the power station.   We think the building was repurposed and the hydraulic tower and chimney reduced in height about the same time as the conversion of roundhouses 1 & 2 into a straight shed and repair workshop in 1958, when the whole shed received its new roof.   The North Eastern Railway Association publication ‘North Eastern Railway Engine Sheds’ published in 2020, edited by John F Addyman is our main source for this, should that be of interest to you.   

 

Peter

 

 

Many thanks Peter, much appreciated. 

[kirtleypete]

My first job today was to paint the base after filling in the missing sections on the corners with plastic card. 

 

First I gave it two good coats of grey primer.

 

 

 

When that as dry I sprayed the pits black, and then misted on layers of light brown, black and grey to vary the surface. 

 

 

Finally the uprights were brush painted and the rails scraped and burnished. Despite being a loco shed I kept the colours fairly light.

 

With the base back indoors I was able to begin assembling the structure around it.

 

 

I can't make the third girder until more materials arrive. 

 

 

The internal walls will all match the one on the left for height etc. 

 

 

The gaps around the bases of the offices need filling in. It might have been better to keep these separate until the walls were in place.

 

 

The length of wood keeps the far wall rigid and will be covered in brick in due course.

 

 

It's quite a structure!

Peter

[David Bell]

Quite a structure indeed. It is looking brilliant!

Cheers

David

[kirtleypete]

One problem I have is that I can't put the loco shed in my workshop; if I did I wouldn't have room to do anything. Instead i have been assembling sections such as the inner wall and then gluing them in place as finished items. 

 

 

The wall was cut out of 40 thou/12mm plastic and the openings cut out, the idea being that this wall is part of the original shed that was incorporated in the 1958 rebuilding. 

 

 

Photo's suggest that the walls were painted white inside the shed so after painting the edges of the openings in grey I began adding printed papers representing the painted brick.

 

 

This is the finished wall ready to glue in place.

 

 

The various openings and the pipes add interest to what is basically just a blank rectangle. The concrete pillars correspond to the positions of the metal girders.

 

 

I have also tidied up the other side of the shed:

 

 

On the outside wall I have used different coloured brick to suggest the original and new structure.  The porch will be standing the right way up!

 

 

Yes, it is sitting on the kitchen table! 

 

Peter

[kirtleypete]

I have painted the two finished girders and stuck them in place, with the third half built. 

 

 

 

 

This has enabled me to stand the roof spans in place to see how they look,

 

 

 

For obvious reasons the roof will be made to lift off, in three sections.

 

Peter

 

 

[kirtleypete]

The first job this morning was the finish off the entrance to the shed. 

 

 

Then I began work on the roof, with the central section which rests on the black girders. The twenty two spans were cut in 2mm acrylic by York Modelmaking.

 

 

I made up lengths of square section Plastruct to rest on the girders, concrete beams in the real shed, and the spans were attached to these with Superglue, an L shaped bracket on each side giving a locating position.

 

 

I decided to attach the narrower section of roof on the right to the main span rather than leaving it separate. The first thing was to glue a length of 'concrete' beam to the inside of the wall for it to rest on.

 

 

Then the framework on 'concrete' beams to built up from Plastruct. It will be spray painted in due course before the glazing is added.

 

 

 

 

With the roof this far on I can now complete the tops of the walls which will be the next job.

 

Peter

Edited October 18, 2021 by kirtleypete

[Rowsley17D]

Getting better with each post. I bet YorkMM rub their hands every time you phone them up!

[kirtleypete]

Well, yes and no. I ordered twenty roof spans from Julie who runs the firm and they arrived last week. This morning I realised that I actually needed twenty two, so I e-mailed York asking if she could do me two more.  Julie e-mailed back saying she had actually done me twenty two as it always pays to have a couple of spares - I hadn't counted them, I'd just assumed I'd got twenty. What a woman; able to see in the future and mind read at the same time!!

 

Peter

[Rowsley17D]

I've always had good service from YorkMM. You gets what you pays for. Having made bespoke pieces for a customer they are willing to run off pieces for other customers, with the original buyer's agreement, as I found out with my station's doors and windows, which they had previously made for a customer building Bakewell station. In fact the whole model building can be bought as a kit.

[kirtleypete]

I've had a frustrating couple of days because I've run out of 2mm plastic sheet and the new delivery hasn't arrived. I can't finish the roof until the end walls are completed and I can't do those until the plastic arrives.

 

As soon as I've got the plastic I'll be able to make good progress again.

 

 

 

 

Peter

[David Bell]

Looking good Peter

Cheers

David