RMweb Premium Popular Post Physicsman Posted September 8, 2020 RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) Notice, April 01 2022: Consequence of RMweb server change and loss of thread images..... I've put together a series of collections of images relevant to this thread. This may make up, a little, for the loss of images caused by the site meltdown at the end of March 2022. Image collections start on page 81: Many of you will have followed my trials and tribulations through both of the Kirkby Luneside threads. It should be apparent that I have learned a very great deal since the original KL commenced in 2012 and I hope the trend continues in the new S&C manifestation. KL(2) was supposed to be my "forever" layout. Started in August 2015 it was progressing nicely until June 2018 when, with perhaps a year to "completion", it suffered a rude awakening - and was ripped-up into the skip. The reasons for this have been explained in detail (see page 220, or thereabouts of KL2) and I've had no regrets about the actions that had to be taken. A house move eventually followed and now, over 2 years later, I'm in a position to start on Gill Head. It would be an understatement to say that I'm looking forward to building something (other than garden landscaping - the last 6 months) again. It will come as no surprise to Lunesters and casual thread-viewers that the new layout HAD to be S&C, and be dominated by the scenery (and the latter has nothing to do with my walling "fetish"!!). KL, and especially KL2, used Kirkby Stephen as the outline template. Having nearly-completed scratchbuilt station buildings and goods shed(s), and the available space (around 16' x 9'6"), guided my choice for the prototype I'll use here. 3 S&C stations caught my eye: Kirkby Stephen, Lazonby and Armathwaite - all have the elements I require. And as David Jenkinson points out in his 2001 book "Historical Railway Modelling" - these are HIS favourite S&C stations AND they are all nearly identical in arrangement, standard Midland rail format. Having used KS for the last layout, AND having a full point-rodding plan for it (many thanks again to John Wardle (aka Old Gringo on here), given the small differences between the 3 stations, it seemed churlish to change just for the sake of it. So Gill Head will use the KS template, though the slight reduction in layout width compared to KL2 will force some compromises. As you will see, eventually. SO - the station area will be similar to KL2. What about the rest? Every layout I've ever built has had some kind of hillside element to it. The "Fell", as it came to be known ("Lunefell" according to Andy (uax6)) got bigger and bigger. The KL2 Fell, likened by Mike (Dent) to Jabba the Hutt (lying down) was about 12' long, 3' deep and over 2' about rail level. Containing a quarter of a tonne of plaster, it dominated the scene.... Gill Head - NO FELL. To balance maintaining the KS option for the station area, a number of changes HAD to be made to keep me interested and avoid a straight replication of the last layout. You will know my love for building viaducts- and how can you have an S&C scenic layout without one? Arten Gill has always been my favourite (2 views attached), so there'll be an 8' long, 20" high, 8 arch version of this wonderful structure in GH. The L-girders will be arranged to allow the scenery to FALL to about 3 feet BELOW rail level, kind of making up for the lack of a Fell!! Add in the adjacent cuttings and we should get some height variation. And room to add in WALLS!! Cuttings? How about adding in the large brick overbridge ("occupation bridge") seen at the North exit of Kirkby Stephen? And even nearer to the station exit, I'll add in an underbridge based on the one at Armathwaite (number 324). Lots of scenery, embankments, cuttings, walls, GRASS (in joke - hi Bodge) etc..... So there you have it for the moment. This is a brief outline and MUCH more will be discussed, I'm sure, as we progress on the layout. I'll stop here - but you are very welcome to comment. Oh, by the way, the layout is FULLY planned out with appropriate contours, cuttings, board-sizes etc etc. I'm saying nothing about all that at the mo. For later. Jeff Edited April 2, 2022 by Physicsman Grammar correction :-)/viaduct height adjustment! 26 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark axlecounter Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Hi Jeff hope you are ok. If this is going to be like kL 1&2 then I’m looking forward to reading this. keep up the good work buddy mark T 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MarshLane Posted September 8, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 8, 2020 Looking forward to your start Jeff. Given what has obviously been several months of planning this could be the step-by-step guide to building a model railway! Seriously, really enjoyed the previous threads, so look forward to following Gill Head. Rich 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted September 9, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 9, 2020 (edited) Hi Rich. Hahaha heeheehee as Andy P would say. I'd describe what I build as somewhat eccentric and very un-typical of what most people would build. I'm strong in a few areas and rubbish in others. The layout plan, which won't be revealed for a while, has one glaring omission that would have some people screaming "rubbish" at me! So it's all very individual. However, I've pondered over what I want for well over a year and it will keep me happy. It's the building that matters to me, not the running. Btw, to anyone looking on here.... If you haven't seen it already, look at Jonathan's (Rowsley17D) beautiful work in his Derwent Spa layout, in the main Layout section. Jeff Edited September 9, 2020 by Physicsman 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted September 9, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 9, 2020 2 hours ago, mark axlecounter said: Hi Jeff hope you are ok. If this is going to be like kL 1&2 then I’m looking forward to reading this. keep up the good work buddy mark T Hi Mark. Hope all is well with you, too, and thanks for your continuing support. Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted September 9, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Physicsman said: I'd describe what I build as somewhat eccentric and very un-typical of what most people would build. I'm strong in a few areas and rubbish in others. The layout plan, which won't be revealed for a while, has one glaring omission that would have some people screaming "rubbish" at me! So it's all very individual. Jeff Don't tell me Jeff, you haven't got a bus on a bridge? I'm looking forward to this, the inverse fell should be really impressive, not often we get proper height viaducts modelled. I suppose it will still be EM as well? Andy G 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted September 9, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 9, 2020 (edited) Thanks for the plug, Jeff. It's good to hear that garage conversion is imminent and hopefully work on the actual layout will not be far behind, although I know you class the former as part and parcel of layout building. I cannot believe how far my layout has come in two and a half years given we have only been here permanently since July 2020. Just think where you could be in that time given that you're there 24/7! Edited September 9, 2020 by Rowsley17D Wrong immanent - too much theology 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MarshLane Posted September 9, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 9, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Physicsman said: Hahaha heeheehee as Andy P would say. I'd describe what I build as somewhat eccentric and very un-typical of what most people would build. I'm strong in a few areas and rubbish in others. The layout plan, which won't be revealed for a while, has one glaring omission that would have some people screaming "rubbish" at me! So it's all very individual. However, I've pondered over what I want for well over a year and it will keep me happy. It's the building that matters to me, not the running. Well if your starting to take after Andy P, it will be all finished for Christmas Seriously, you have the right attitude. The exchange of information on rmWeb, the help and advice is great, but I sometimes think in trying to get it absolutely right, or listening to others, we loose that focus on what 'we' as individuals want from our layouts. Rule 1 maintained at all times, its your layout so design it, build it and run it as you want ... unless we tell you otherwise of course Oh and your right, Jonathan's Derwent Spa is superb.... Rich Edited September 9, 2020 by MarshLane 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted September 9, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 9, 2020 Looking forward to seeing what you've come up with! I'm sure the viaduct will be particularly impressive. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Alister_G Posted September 9, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 9, 2020 Hi Jeff, like all the others, I'm very much looking forward to following you on this new venture. Great stuff, can't beat a good viaduct. Al. 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted September 9, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 9, 2020 Thanks for the feedback. I'll post some photos of the garage conversion, when in progress, as I know some of you find it of interest. KL2: started garage conversion in January, completed in about 6 weeks by March, work on layout started in August. GH: Subject to building materials being available - hope to start garage conversion on Monday, September 14th and start layout work (baseboard structures) by the end of the month. So a different timescale here. The viaduct will be my first priority, so I hope to have that built and in place by mid-November. We will see! Jeff 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted September 9, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 9, 2020 11 hours ago, uax6 said: Don't tell me Jeff, you haven't got a bus on a bridge? I'm looking forward to this, the inverse fell should be really impressive, not often we get proper height viaducts modelled. I suppose it will still be EM as well? Andy G Hi Andy. Yes, still EM. And apologies there'll be no beloved Lunefell for you to eulogise about. I'll have to make the gill area nice and craggy for you and get in some mood lighting! Jeff 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted September 9, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 9, 2020 I’ll miss the Fell, but if you manage to get the gill area as nicely modelled as the Fell I think l’ll be ok.... l’d forgotten about the mood lighting, but again a must! andy g 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peach james Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Just think of it as a reversed fell...it's going to go down instead of up ! (just like the RE have been around. "Gentlemen, we may not make history tomorrow, but we shall certainly change the geography !" ) Following with interest. I've been changing my local geography again today- 12 m3 of fill delivered today for Canadian Puget Sound II. James 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jason T Posted September 10, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 10, 2020 I think I know what the ommission might be; you are thinking of going without a fiddle yard. Am I right? 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted September 10, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Jason T said: I think I know what the ommission might be; you are thinking of going without a fiddle yard. Am I right? Perceptive as ever, Jason. I'm not putting up - or discussing - layout plans at this stage. Far too early, and I'm not going to allow a froth-fest discussion, ad infinitum, of what is right or wrong with the plan. I would like a fiddle yard, but - and I've spent a lot of time thinking about it - it just isn't possible given the gill area and associated cuttings etc. I'm not willing to compromise on the scenic look of GH, and if it means one train running round and round, it's a price I'm willing to pay. But..... There is a (approx 80cm x 40cm) lift-out section, directly in front of the entry door. This section is part of a cutting, but needs to be there. I had planned a duplicate board, track only, to allow loading of stock from cassettes. At least it's something. I'll discuss matters in detail with you, if you're interested, when the geometry - and a plan - appears in here. I may be corrupting you back to the railways........ Convert a Black 5 to EM for me, if you like.... Jeff Edited September 10, 2020 by Physicsman 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jason T Posted September 10, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 10, 2020 I do kind of get it now. What you are creating is more of a 3d piece of art and having trains moving through it just adds to the overall creation rather than being the main purpose of the piece and as such, having a load of track on bare baseboards full of sidings that you have to then fill with stock becomes a pain in the plopper. If I am right in this, then you are totally right in your decision (whatever that may be). Don't let mine or anyone else's requirements for what they want from a layout steer your direction, as it may not be what you want from it. Did I really say that? Wow - I must be mellowing in my old age 6 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jason T Posted September 10, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 10, 2020 Just to show I'm not really mellowing out, my attitude nowadays is more akin to responding to "You should......." statements with "You should F*&% off" One of my mates pointed out that in a number of my videos, I basically tell the audience to f*&% off. Thing is, they bloody loved it 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted September 10, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 10, 2020 Just off to do some bricklaying. Will send you an outline plan when I get chance, and you'll get a better idea. Mellowing? You'll be telling me you don't like curry next!!!!! J. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted September 14, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 14, 2020 The first batch of CLS, insulation board and 18mm ply arrived at lunchtime. So I've spent the last 5 hours starting the garage conversion. Standard stuff, DPM on the floor, wooden frames constructed (CLS is 38 x 89mm, so deep enough to take 75mm of insulation board), put into place, screwed together and insulation inserted. I've attached a couple of pics to show where I'm at. More tomorrow. Jeff 12 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted September 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 15, 2020 I bet it feels great that a start has been made. Looking forward to more progress over the coming weeks. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted September 15, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 15, 2020 I managed another 5 hours in the garage today, a lot of it cutting sections of insulation board to size to fit gaps in the frames. Tedious, but necessary. Things are coming along much faster than the last time, though I'll be diverted into other tasks over the next few days, such as fence building. A couple of terribly inspiring pics attached - but I suppose someone might enjoy the sight of red-plywood sheets!! Maybe I ought to post some pics of locos currently sat in the cupboard? Or the fridge? Jeff 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MarshLane Posted September 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 15, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Physicsman said: Maybe I ought to post some pics of locos currently sat in the cupboard? Or the fridge? Jeff Jeff, One does not wish to be noisy nosey (bl**dy iPad), but why are you sitting locos in your fridge? Not the milk train is it? nice to see what your doing. I have the same task with a new garage next Spring ... assuming I get the old one emptied before it falls down,. Rich Edited September 15, 2020 by MarshLane oops! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted September 15, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 15, 2020 It's ok Rich, it's ok for you to be noIsy, and you can be nosey as well.... No locos in the fridge. The latter came to mind as there's a fridge and freezer in the garage at the mo. Maybe pictures of said fridge from multiple positions (!!!!!) will prove more exciting than "watching the wood grow"!! But it IS great to be DOING something. I'd certainly envisage layout work in progress within the next 4 weeks. Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MarshLane Posted September 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 15, 2020 Oh careful Jeff, what with noisy people (I blame the iPad spellchecker) and nosey people on here ... pictures of the fridge from multiple positions could send us all into dark rooms for a while to recover! Glad your making progress tho. Rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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