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Here I was, thinking they were on the gravy train !

 

While fitting the room out might seem boring (he's done it before...), for someone who is new here, it means they get to see a complete layout from start-finish, with the steps needed to make it a comfortable layout.  I'm still young/dumb  enough to not fit insulation on the floor, but comfort is actually...comfortable !

 

I started a bit of a thread on Candian Puget Sound II (the live steam railway), so I'd have somewhere to plant photos/ect.  The big engine followed me into work yesterday, so I have a Darjeeling Class D in 5" sitting on the workbench here.  Annoyances:  I can't find my 1/4"-40 ME taps and die, so that will require more searching tomorrow after night shift.  I've made up a list of bits to buy in for said engine, basically currently covering water into the boiler is going to be a bit more than I'd like to spend, but not as much as I thought it might be either... (we're talking a couple new OO locos worth of parts...)

 

James

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On ‎10‎/‎09‎/‎2020 at 14:03, Physicsman said:

 

Perceptive as ever, Jason.

 

I'm not putting up - or discussing - layout plans at this stage. Far too early, and I'm not going to allow a froth-fest discussion, ad infinitum, of what is right or wrong with the plan.

 

I would like a fiddle yard, but - and I've spent a lot of time thinking about it - it just isn't possible given the gill area and associated cuttings etc. I'm not willing to compromise on the scenic look of GH, and if it means one train running round and round, it's a price I'm willing to pay.

 

But.....

 

There is a (approx 80cm x 40cm) lift-out section, directly in front of the entry door. This section is part of a cutting, but needs to be there. I had planned a duplicate board, track only, to allow loading of stock from cassettes. At least it's something.

 

I'll discuss matters in detail with you, if you're interested, when the geometry - and a plan - appears in here.

 

I may be corrupting you back to the railways........

 

Convert a Black 5 to EM for me, if you like....

 

Jeff

 

 

 

On ‎10‎/‎09‎/‎2020 at 14:18, Jason T said:

I do kind of get it now. What you are creating is more of a 3d piece of art and having trains moving through it just adds to the overall creation rather than being the main purpose of the piece and as such, having a load of track on bare baseboards full of sidings that you have to then fill with stock becomes a pain in the plopper. 

 

If I am right in this, then you are totally right in your decision (whatever that may be). Don't let mine or anyone else's requirements for what they want from a layout steer your direction, as it may not be what you want from it.

 

Did I really say that? Wow - I must be mellowing in my old age :D

Jason / Jeff

Totally get where you are coming from with this, and it is exactly what we are hoping to do with Horton. However as it is N Gauge I have the luxury of a fiddle yard with 10 roads, which allows 10 individual trains each way as they are subdivided. I look forward to seeing your interpretation of the typical S&C scenery.

 

Mac

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Cheers Mac.

 

Kirkby Luneside had a fair size fiddle yard hidden behind the Fell, with plenty of storage space. This isn't possible this time, and since the landscape - and building it - is a lot more important to me than running locos/trains, compromises have had to be made.

 

To be honest, I'd build the new layout just to have the chance to construct a new viaduct! I even considered an end to end, including a fiddle yard, with me sitting behind the viaduct watching the trains pass over.

 

Viaducts, grass, stone walling, a small gill, a few sheep....that's what it's all about to me. Oh, and the occasional passing train!

 

All the best for the Horton project.

 

Jeff

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Jeff I think you have just hit on something that is actually very rarely said and seldom modelled, that of its actually about the setting and not the trains.

To be able to get into a position where you can sit looking at the landscape and it be just like real life, with perhaps a few trains passing with a suitably long period of time between trains is something that is rarely modelled.

 

I'd love to be able to model Moy Viaduct on the Highland main line, and have it at such a height that from a sitting position I would be as a similar height as I would be if I was stood in front of the real thing. Then a couple of trains pass over (With a suitably long period in between them) would be amazing.

 

Not sure how I would deal with the practicalities of it mind, maybe the landscape would have to come way out, with a head sized hole cut into it. You sit down on a buffet (That's yorkie for a stool) with the legs cut down, with your head stuck up through the hole....

Given my aversion to DCC, I can see that complete computer control of the operating side would be essential for the trains to appear in the view while sat in the hole.....

 

Andy G

 

 

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Evening Andy.

 

I was looking through a box of "odds and sods" the other day and came across a copy of the 1981 Hornby Track Plans book (5th edition, I think). I used to drool over the track plans (note I didn't say "layout") and wish I could cover a 12' x 10' baseboard in track.

 

I also remember looking at copies of Railway Modeller in the early 80s and being dismayed at some of the layouts that seemed to contain a little bit of track, a few buildings and the rest was scenic.

 

Nowadays, as you know, it's ALL about the landscape for me. If I had another 10 feet to play with then I'd probably have chucked in some fells as background and would hardly change my existing trackwork. As it is, the down train (Carlisle bound) leaves the station, passes through a long cutting, over the viaduct, into another cutting and finally back to the goods end of the station. I'd almost be willing to sacrifice the station for a fiddle yard, but the scenic sections are paramount.

 

I'm looking forward to building it.

 

Jeff

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18 hours ago, peach james said:

Here I was, thinking they were on the gravy train !

 

While fitting the room out might seem boring (he's done it before...), for someone who is new here, it means they get to see a complete layout from start-finish, with the steps needed to make it a comfortable layout.  I'm still young/dumb  enough to not fit insulation on the floor, but comfort is actually...comfortable !

 

I started a bit of a thread on Candian Puget Sound II (the live steam railway), so I'd have somewhere to plant photos/ect.  The big engine followed me into work yesterday, so I have a Darjeeling Class D in 5" sitting on the workbench here.  Annoyances:  I can't find my 1/4"-40 ME taps and die, so that will require more searching tomorrow after night shift.  I've made up a list of bits to buy in for said engine, basically currently covering water into the boiler is going to be a bit more than I'd like to spend, but not as much as I thought it might be either... (we're talking a couple new OO locos worth of parts...)

 

James

 

Hi James.

 

I did reply earlier, but managed to delete my text before saving it!

 

The floor base/insulation thing has definite thermal benefits, but I think there's a bit of psychology in walking into a train room with insulation beneath your feet. "Comfy" and welcoming!

 

Good to see you are busy with your concrete bridges and live steam. Keep enjoying yourself!

 

Jeff

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I totally get where you are coming from Jeff, my own modelling has now morphed into creating a believable scene with a bit of railway in it, but I'm now concentrating on small diorama type sections, which I can complete individually, but can be joined to extend out to a decent run if necessary.

 

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I know where you're coming from, Jeff, says he whose off-scene section is far larger than the scenic section. I want my layout to say (shout out) Midland Railway with no trains in view, even though set in LMS times and although I says it as shouldn't, I think I am achieving it.

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Jeff,

 

Its good to see you back in the harness, so to speak.  Since discovering the KL2 blog, I really appreciated the level of attention to all the details including the boarding out of the garage and strength of the baseboards.  As for the walling, well what could I say.

I look forward to the future.

DeadRinger

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After about 30 hours of work in the garage since Monday, things are starting to take shape.

 

About 70% of the floor area has been framed/insulated/ply topped. And a number of wall frames are ready to receive their quota of 75mm insulation board and a 6mm ply fascia.

 

For those who like details, the framing wood is standard CLS timber, 38 x 89mm. The floor ply is 18mm thick.

 

Here are 3 pics, taken today. The last one includes the infamous fridge, star of an earlier post!!

 

Jeff

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