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RMweb Gold MarshLane Posted September 14, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2021 13 hours ago, Physicsman said: Hi Rich. Fortuitously saw your post as I was checking a detail on another S&C thread. Fortuitous as it's unlikely I'll look in on here for at least another week, and you know my reasoning. You're not being picky, but you are looking too deeply at the situation - from the prototype point of view. My logic is simple and practical - green tells me the switch is up, red tells me it's down. No reference to signalling, simply a convention I've always used to tell me which way I've set the turnouts. Hope that "explains" things? As for signals, aside from knowing I'll need to buy 3 Home signals, or build them, I've thought no further. I like to keep things as simple as possible because, when it comes down to it, I'm a numpty as far as the railways go. So long as I can make the surroundings look good, I'll settle for scraping along with the workings of the real thing! Thanks for the input, as usual. Jeff Hi Jeff, Ah, you see I have a habit of over thinking things! Fair enough, I am a big believer in keep it simple - whatever you find works for you is the key thing. Rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted September 15, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 15, 2021 (edited) I've spent the last hour or so running a loco through combinations of turnouts, and all seems ok. It did take me almost as long to clean the track before doing so. I cleaned the main lines about a week ago, but all the weathering "crud" in the goods area provided a good degree of electrical insulation, though a track rubber soon shifted it. Some pics showing the control panel in position. I adapted wood from a couple of old (KL2) L-girders to provide the side supports. It may have been built differently if I'd had other lengths of wood, but it's functional and there's space to stand things (coffee cup?!) at either side of the panel. Jeff Edited September 15, 2021 by Physicsman 11 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambiedg Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 Obviously you’re less clumsy than me! I couldn’t risk a coffee cup anywhere near a control panel. D 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Besley Posted September 15, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 15, 2021 6 hours ago, lambiedg said: Obviously you’re less clumsy than me! I couldn’t risk a coffee cup anywhere near a control panel. D Looks like enough room to drill a hole for a mug holder on the sides 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWsTrains Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 I think here Jeff has under spec'd the side support timbers. Those are not quite big enough to support a Tetleys "Bittermen" double handed Quart mug with comfort. Colin 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dragonboy Posted September 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, lambiedg said: Obviously you’re less clumsy than me! I couldn’t risk a coffee cup anywhere near a control panel. D I’d be more worried about catching myself on those corners. Edited September 16, 2021 by Dragonboy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted September 16, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 16, 2021 13 hours ago, John Besley said: Looks like enough room to drill a hole for a mug holder on the sides 6 hours ago, BWsTrains said: I think here Jeff has under spec'd the side support timbers. Those are not quite big enough to support a Tetleys "Bittermen" double handed Quart mug with comfort. Colin I was genuinely concerned I'd under-engineered the structure. I mean, c'mon, it has to support all the weight of that plastic.... It was the only conveniently available wood I had available. And yes, if I'm ever in need of a good sleep it can serve its purpose of knocking me out if I bash into it! Nice to see the comments, lads. If you carry on like this I may have to resume posting more often! 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted September 16, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) As a follow-up, being "greatly offended" (ha, ha - pull the other one!) by the implication that my new structure was a tad, erm....over engineered..., hmmmph.... I thought I'd provide graphic evidence for the practical uses of the said edifice. (Zorri, iff mi lingo abuv woz er bitt two plane for sum ov yer...) My "side-arms" can provide: A permanent home for my vintage, tried and trusty Lenz controller.... A stand for the applicator, waiting for a "heavy session" of static grassing..... My mug of coffee - but I'm NOT letting David (lambie) near it!!.... Or a place to store the hammer, ready to knock in some of those 10 inch nails that Bodgit (AndyP) is renowned for using....when he's psyched-up for some of his more delicate work... So you can see, there was method in the madness, and now it's back to the railway. Painting platforms. Oh, well! Jeff Edited September 16, 2021 by Physicsman 6 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Physicsman said: As a follow-up, being "greatly offended" (ha, ha - pull the other one!) by the implication that my new structure was a tad, erm....over engineered..., hmmmph.... I thought I'd provide graphic evidence for the practical uses of the said edifice. (Zorri, iff mi lingo abuv woz er bitt two plane for sum ov yer...) My "side-arms" can provide: A permanent home for my vintage, tried and trusty Lenz controller.... A stand for the applicator, waiting for a "heavy session" of static grassing..... My mug of coffee - but I'm NOT letting David (lambie) near it!!.... Or a place to store the hammer, ready to knock in some of those 10 inch nails that Bodgit (AndyP) is renowned for using....when he's psyched-up for some of his more delicate work... So you can see, there was method in the madness, and now it's back to the railway. Painting platforms. Oh, well! Jeff Points of note= 1, Lenz Controller far to heavy for that timber. 2, Static applicator says Noch me off. 3, If your right handed the cup should be on the right. 4, Call that a bloody hammer, I've seen better than that in a Toffee shop. Edited September 16, 2021 by Andrew P 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Besley Posted September 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Physicsman said: As a follow-up, being "greatly offended" (ha, ha - pull the other one!) by the implication that my new structure was a tad, erm....over engineered..., hmmmph.... I thought I'd provide graphic evidence for the practical uses of the said edifice. (Zorri, iff mi lingo abuv woz er bitt two plane for sum ov yer...) My "side-arms" can provide: A permanent home for my vintage, tried and trusty Lenz controller.... A stand for the applicator, waiting for a "heavy session" of static grassing..... My mug of coffee - but I'm NOT letting David (lambie) near it!!.... Or a place to store the hammer, ready to knock in some of those 10 inch nails that Bodgit (AndyP) is renowned for using....when he's psyched-up for some of his more delicate work... So you can see, there was method in the madness, and now it's back to the railway. Painting platforms. Oh, well! Jeff Love it, you could also balance a Sinclair ZX Spectrum on there as well... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted September 16, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 16, 2021 43 minutes ago, John Besley said: Love it, you could also balance a Sinclair ZX Spectrum on there as well... Hi John. Not sure if you were implying that my 2008 Lenz system is as antiquated as the good old Spectrum , but no offence taken....I planned to change it in 2017, but it's "bulletproof" and does all I need it to do. Except for the limit on the number of Function keys. Funny isn't it, but control systems are so (relatively) cheap these days, and I've no longer any desire (currently) to buy something new. Besides, I do like a bit of steampunk in the railway room! And is it just a coincidence that Clive Sinclair died today? Never had a Spectrum, but used to play on my mates Commodore and then his Apple (64?) The good old days of 1980-81, writing stuff in Basic and having a good old Peek and Poke! Jeff 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ramrig Posted September 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 17, 2021 Jeff. that timber for your control panel. Its not left overs from this construction? You weren't on this project were you? 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted September 17, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 17, 2021 40 minutes ago, Ramrig said: Jeff. that timber for your control panel. Its not left overs from this construction? You weren't on this project were you? No, Steve I wasn't involved with that project. I was approached to take the contract but had to turn them down as I don't involve myself with small builds. There just wasn't enough wood in the construction. Problem was, I missed out on a free entrance ticket.....it bl**dy well rained for 40 days after they sailed off! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian D Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Me thinks you've got a thick thumb Jeff, as in Rule of Thumb. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted September 17, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Brian D said: Me thinks you've got a thick thumb Jeff, as in Rule of Thumb. So NOW it's being suggested I have a big THUMB!!? Is no part of my body or demeanour sacrosanct? I may only be 5 foot 6 (tall, that is, not around the middle) but I think I iz billt in pruporshun! Just had a thought, isn't this supposed to be a model railway thread? Maybe not. But it's enjoyable. And I have to say, having had a sneaky peek (but no poking) at a couple of the 1 million + views Layout threads, that most of their hundreds of pages are filled with banter. But please - NO curtains or toilets (you know who you are!) Jeff Edited September 17, 2021 by Physicsman 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gismorail Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 On 17/09/2021 at 16:24, Ramrig said: Jeff. that timber for your control panel. Its not left overs from this construction? You weren't on this project were you? At today’s timber prices I wonder what it would cost to build that ark today 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted September 21, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 21, 2021 2 hours ago, gismorail said: At today’s timber prices I wonder what it would cost to build that ark today Yep, good job we're not planning on building any new baseboards in the near future! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, Physicsman said: Yep, good job we're not planning on building any new baseboards in the near future! Martin / @gismorail has a Shed and Baseboards to build yet after his house move, I don't envy him at all. 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam88 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 10 hours ago, gismorail said: At today’s timber prices I wonder what it would cost to build that ark today It used to be about Three ha'pence a foot 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MarshLane Posted September 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 22, 2021 On 16/09/2021 at 23:17, Physicsman said: Hi John. Not sure if you were implying that my 2008 Lenz system is as antiquated as the good old Spectrum , but no offence taken....I planned to change it in 2017, but it's "bulletproof" and does all I need it to do. Except for the limit on the number of Function keys. Funny isn't it, but control systems are so (relatively) cheap these days, and I've no longer any desire (currently) to buy something new. Besides, I do like a bit of steampunk in the railway room! And is it just a coincidence that Clive Sinclair died today? Never had a Spectrum, but used to play on my mates Commodore and then his Apple (64?) The good old days of 1980-81, writing stuff in Basic and having a good old Peek and Poke! Jeff Oh stop it Jeff, your making me feel old! I learnt to programme computers on a Spectrum ZX .. still got it and it works!! Then moved onto a Commodore 64 with its 5.25" discs and then an Amiga 500 ( I think ) ... first one that took 3.5" floppy discs (that weren't floppy!) ... god that was all when I was at school - nearly 30 years ago. Always looked at the Lenz system before I went Digitrax .. admittedly the controller looks like it has more buttons than the mission controllers at Cape Canaveral but its really easy to control two locos at the same time. Whats the function button limitation with the Lenz system? Rich 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted September 23, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 23, 2021 Hi Rich. Apologies for the delayed reply but I tend to only look in here every 1-2 days at the moment. I wish it was ONLY 30 years since I left school.... As for the Lenz, the set 100 I've used since 2008 only allows up to F14 or 16 - can't recall, as I run locos so little. However, that limitation is likely to change in the near future. Details when relevant! Jeff 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 25 minutes ago, Physicsman said: Hi Rich. Apologies for the delayed reply but I tend to only look in here every 1-2 days at the moment. I wish it was ONLY 30 years since I left school.... As for the Lenz, the set 100 I've used since 2008 only allows up to F14 or 16 - can't recall, as I run locos so little. However, that limitation is likely to change in the near future. Details when relevant! Jeff Most of the new Sound Chips now, Zimo for certain, use Functions 27 and 28 to turn the volume up and down, plus I think 19 is like a fader for Tunnels / Fiddle Yards etc. You need to join the 21st Century young Jeff. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted September 23, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 23, 2021 17 minutes ago, Andrew P said: Most of the new Sound Chips now, Zimo for certain, use Functions 27 and 28 to turn the volume up and down, plus I think 19 is like a fader for Tunnels / Fiddle Yards etc. You need to join the 21st Century young Jeff. Oh, I will be.....at last! 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post Physicsman Posted October 3, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2021 (edited) 10 days since my last post on here. It actually makes a big difference not feeling "obliged" to put daily updates on here. In a way it's a bit silly to do things on a daily basis as, in general, the day-to-day progression is fairly small. I suppose it keeps people entertained! I've probably done 70-80 hours work in the Bunker in the last 10 days, but if anyone saw the "before and after" they'd probably look at me, give me a blank look, a shrug of the shoulders and ask me "well, what have you actually done in here?!" So, first piece of news, linked to my last post. I've bought a new Lenz control system - LH101 handset and LZV200 control station. Some people say that Lenz is "old fashioned", but it suits me fine, is "bulletproof" - based on the last 13 years with the Lenz 100 - and very simple to operate. Might not suit some who prefer on-screen displays, but each to their own. I can now access all those functions, up to the current NMRA limit of F28, that I couldn't access previously. Which means I can now adjust the volume on my SLW diesels!! Most of my time over the last ten days has been under the boards. Everything was correctly wired and fully functional but I decided things could be better organised and a bit tidier. So the whole lot has been rewired from scratch. A couple of connections put back the wrong way caused shorts and a bit of head-scratching, but I really enjoyed myself. Could it be that I like the smell of solder, or is it just the feeling of satisfaction of a job "well done"? For anyone that's interested, and some of you will remember, I built 2 goods sheds for the KL2 layout. Both using identical "skeletons" of 4mm ply, one covered in DAS stones, the other with Wills sheets. Both based on the shed at Kirkby Stephen (see KL2 pages 171-185 for details). The main building sections were constructed in 2017 and never fully completed. The DAS-based structure appears in the background in a lot of the goods yard photos in this thread. My intention is to complete both and use the Wills version on Gill Head. Now, one of the problems with my construction is my choice of shed. If I'd used almost any S&C shed OTHER than Kirkby Stephen I'd have been able to source some lovely, ready-made brass-etched window frames. I have a couple of sets from Ambis Engineering and they are really nicely made. Trouble is, KS shed used much wider windows. I had some windows made for the DAS shed using a Silhouette cutter. KL2 thread, around page 200, shows my efforts to scratch-build windows for the Wills shed, using plastruct rod and acetate sheet. It looks ok, but is a very fiddly job. I recently sent some drawings to York Modelmaking and had them laser cut me a set of window frames that would be suitable for the Kirkby Stephen sheds. A bit of trimming, fitting to 1mm clear plasticard backing and a bit of superglue and, after about 4 hours, I've done one side of the shed. Pics below. I'll be doing a bit more work on this shed, other than windows, over the next couple of weeks, so we'll see how we go. Jeff Edited October 3, 2021 by Physicsman 15 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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