MGR Hooper! Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 I remember having a conversation years ago with a fellow modeller about models that were announced but never made it to shop shelves and models that were on the cards but never made it to an announcement. Been thinking about it quite a bit and was wanting to know about more models that were announced or had EPs shown but never made it to shop shelves. If anyone has pictures also, that would be a bonus. Off the top of my head I recall Dapol planning to do a N gauge Class 92 and Hornby re-tooling the BR Std 9F. Caanot seem to re-call the others discussed, so hoping people can shed some more light. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 For those of us of a certain age, the never-produced Wrenn Adams Radial was “the great toy train disappointment”. The EP in those days was a K’s kit, which was photographed for the catalogue, and somebody now owns that - I’ve seen it at a TCS meeting. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted September 11, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 11, 2020 Pat Hammond's books contain quite a few details on models that Hornby considered, but never produced. Many of the EPs are shown too. My favourite is the SR Z 0-8-0T.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 The latest Hornby Magazine, with the tribute to Hornby 100, also features some. Stewart 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 One that struck me as a bit odd was them doing a very-nicely tooled chassis for a 21t fitted mineral. This had correct Oleo buffers, correct brake gear, brake shoes in line with wheels etc. However..they put it under a flat wagon body, labelled Conflat B, and loaded it with a Freightliner container. Meanwhile, they did two iterations of an earlier 21t mineral, on different underframes, and issued them with a new ( occasionally accurate) livery every couple of years. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted September 11, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 11, 2020 Yes there’s lots of Hornby nearly made it’s including City of Truro, Class 17 , Baby Deltic, Snowdon Mountain Engine . The most famous one for me was the Lima V2 . 1 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 A few from Airfix. Ignoring ones that appeared from Mainline and Dapol. Info from Ramsay's British Model Trains by Pat Hammond SR Schools 4-4-0 LNER B1 4-6-0 LMS Compound 4-4-0 GWR 43XX 2-6-0 different version than the Mainline one SR Lord Nelson 4-6-0 WD 2-8-0 SR U 2-6-0 LNER J69 0-6-0T LMS Crab 2-6-0 SR (LSWR) O2 0-4-4T SR (LSWR) G6 0-6-0T LMS Black Five 4-6-0 LMS 8F 2-8-0 SR Bulleid Corridor Stock 3 types LNER Gresley Corridor Stock 3 types SR Birdcage Stock 2 types LMS Sleeper LNER Gresley non corridor Stock 3 types LNER Brake Van SR 25T Brake Van LNER Fruit Van GWR Cowan Sheldon 45T Crane GWR Tube Wagon GWR Ro Rail Milk Tanker BR 16 Ton Mineral Plate Wagon Although most have since appeared some gems in there. Shocking that no one has yet done a J69 and G6. Jason 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted September 11, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 11, 2020 Do DJM examples count for this thread? 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philou Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Trix Freightliner wagon + 3 containers .......... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Dapol had a few as well. LMS Beyer Garratt 2-6-0+0-6-2 WD 2-8-0 (no idea whether this was going to be the Airfix one) ISTR they planned a 2-10-0 version as well Jason 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, Philou said: Trix Freightliner wagon + 3 containers .......... And the Brush Type from them, and I believe also some Mk 2 coaches (Pullmans?). 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 A few Mainline ones as well. Ignoring things that appeared later. LMS 8F 2-8-0 GWR 28XX 2-8-0 LMS Black Five 4-6-0 SR Q1 0-6-0 LNER Gresley Buffet Car SR Utility Van BR MK1 BG GWR Collett First Freightliner wagon and containers SR 25 Ton Brake Van GWR Cattle Wagon LNER Van TEA bogie Tank Wagon Bogie Pallet Van 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD85 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 (edited) Kitmaster were planning an A3, a USA tank and possibly a WD 2-8-0. I can't believe no manufacturer has made a U Class as yet, it's the big missing item on the Southern scene. Edited September 11, 2020 by SD85 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold D9020 Nimbus Posted September 11, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 11, 2020 Wrenn promised a GW 45xx at some time. Hornby Dublo had planned a. V2. Lima a Princess and a class 45. Of course there have been many more recent "stiiborn" examples—in N gauge a BachFar 9F and "Meridian" for starters, and the Dapol and Bachmann "J72s". I'm surprised that nobody has tackled the J67/J69 yet, but Bachmann already have a small ex-LNER tank and Hornby don't often do small engines, other than industrials. In narrow gauge there was of course the Roco "Double Fairlie". 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plarailfan Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Off the top of my head, I remember one of the Lima catalogues, from around 1980/1 having a photo of a "Peak" Diesel locomotive, with a note saying they were planned in OO gauge, but, I guess, they decided not to bother in the end, as the Mainline Palitoy version was considered to be quite a decent model at that time. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Dapol’s N gauge Pendolino, and the class 70 (announcement quickly withdrawn after Bachmann pointed out they had exclusive rights), and the Farish 222 spring to my mind David 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Lima's N gauge King. There are photos of it, but really it was the 00 gauge one with giant size N gauge couplings. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 4 hours ago, Fat Controller said: One that struck me as a bit odd was them doing a very-nicely tooled chassis for a 21t fitted mineral. This had correct Oleo buffers, correct brake gear, brake shoes in line with wheels etc. However..they put it under a flat wagon body, labelled Conflat B, and loaded it with a Freightliner container. Yes, that's got to be one of the stranger wastes of tooling ever. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurenceb Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Lima were also going to do a Princess Royal at the same time as the V2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halvarras Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 10 hours ago, Fat Controller said: And the Brush Type from them, and I believe also some Mk 2 coaches (Pullmans?). Yes indeed FC, I have my copy of the 1967/68 Trix catalogue in front of me (Lawson's of New George Street, Plymouth stamped on the front cover, anyone remember that shop? I certainly do, I bought a Tri-ang L1 4-4-0 there in the late 60s, it cost forty-two shillings and eleven pence of my hard-won farm work earnings!) : Item No 1170 - Brush Type 4 in green syp [illustration, I believe based on a photo of D1730] Item No 1171 - Brush Type 4 in blue fye [photo of D1959 in original blue with cabside arrows/bodyside numbers] And on the inside rear cover, "STOP PRESS - New!" : Item Nos 1906/7 - Mark 2 TSO [b&w photo + illustration] Item No 1933 - Pullman Parlour Car, 1st Class [b&w photo] Item No 1934 - Pullman Parlour Brake Car [b&w photo] Item No 1935 - Pullman Parlour Kitchen Car [b&w photo] Interestingly the Western diesel could be had with twin motors, and this loco, the Warship and the AL1 electric were available as 'Footplateman' kits (same as 'CKD' in Tri-ang Hornby-speak). 'Coachbuilder' kits covered all available coach types apart from those decorated as Class 124 Intercity DMU trailers in green. There was even an interior lighting kit available (Item No 1451 2-rail/1452 3-rail), a strip with what looks like three bulbs which fitted into the roof........52 years ago but looks familiar! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 That Western with twin-bogies would need local power-supplies reinforcing...The single bogie was powerful enough if the train was formed of those Trix vehicles with the low friction underframes. IIRC, the bogie was driven on all axles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted September 12, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 12, 2020 20 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: Although most have since appeared some gems in there. Shocking that no one has yet done a J69 and G6. Jason Although you can now get a 3D printed body for a proprietary chassis which is a lot easier than a kit IMHO. No connection other than I bought a 97xx body from this seller. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LNER-J69-Body-To-fit-Dapol-Hornby-Terrier-chassis/324269265009?hash=item4b7ff45071:g:agQAAOSwQYxeeMSr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted September 12, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 12, 2020 I believe Hornby considered an N7 tank, not sure how far they got with it, but abandoned it as they thought it was too similar to N2 and in those days very few people would have bought both (they believed). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 (edited) Discussed elsewhere, but Tri-ang Railways R753 Bo-Bo Class E.3046 Electric Locomotive (AL2), first shown as an artist's impression in the 1964 catalogue, then in mock-up form in the 1965 catalogue. The mock-up still exists. Tooling for the bogies was done which is why the Tri-ang Hornby version has an AL1 body (tooled by Hornby Dublo) and AL2 bogies (tooled by Tri-ang Railways). As an aside, the Triang-Hornby version used the older design of bogie with knurled wheels while the 1964 & 1965 catalogues says the model would be fitted with Magnadhesion, so presumably they were developing a bogie similar to that later fitted under the Hymek, a four-wheel version of the bogie used under the EM1 and Brush Type 2/EE Type 3 (Yes, I know those only had four actual wheels anyway, but it's more that it would involve a shorter wheelbase). Edited September 12, 2020 by BernardTPM 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrel Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Lima announced a class 90 and 91 it was in the catalogue but Hornby beat them to it 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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