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Greetings all.
A question for the hive mind.  I’ve been looking for information on 4mm scale Ready To Plonk (RTP) buildings.  Specifically, which prototype is each building based upon.  A search on this forum has failed to answer this question and Mr Google has let me down too.

Some, such as the Kernow specials, are clear about what they are based upon, but many of the Skaledale and Scenecraft buildings are extremely reticent about their origin.  Descriptions like “stone booking office” and “suburban station” are unhelpful.

As examples, are any based on North Cornwall Railway prototypes, Or Cambrian Railway prototypes?

Thanks and over to you………………….

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Which ones in particular?

 

As often the clue is in the name as many are from heritage railways. For example Hampton was based on one on the SVR ISTR. Likewise they've done station buildings from the Great Central, K&WVR, NYMR, Also have done the Settle & Carlisle, March. 

 

"Granite" looks Midland. 

 

https://www.hattons.co.uk/164394/hornby_r9836_granite_station_buiding/stockdetail.aspx

 

The Art Deco ones are SR or LT.

 

I do know that the Suburban Station was Catford Bridge.

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bachmann-Bachmann-44-0045-SUBURBAN-STATION/dp/B01CAI0FC2

 

 

 

Jason

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I thought Hornby did a model of Mortimer station in 4mm, but I can't find much evidence of it now. Seems you can get it in 2mm though.

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Somebody has done a full set for Sheffield Park, and somebody, possibly the same somebody, commissioned a very good, although actually not full-length, model of High Brooms near Tunbridge Wells.

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I've always liked this design:

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But the finished article looks "wonky":

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I believe it's based on a signal box in Wimbledon, the model is Farish.  Looks like a good candidate for a conversion into a pub circa 1983....

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4 hours ago, Phatbob said:

Greetings all.
A question for the hive mind.  I’ve been looking for information on 4mm scale Ready To Plonk (RTP) buildings.  Specifically, which prototype is each building based upon.  A search on this forum has failed to answer this question and Mr Google has let me down too.

Some, such as the Kernow specials, are clear about what they are based upon, but many of the Skaledale and Scenecraft buildings are extremely reticent about their origin.  Descriptions like “stone booking office” and “suburban station” are unhelpful.

As examples, are any based on North Cornwall Railway prototypes, Or Cambrian Railway prototypes?

Thanks and over to you………………….

 

 

For clarity's sake , are you talking about railway buildings or ordinary lineside buildings?

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On 15/09/2020 at 21:04, Steamport Southport said:

Which ones in particular?

 

As often the clue is in the name as many are from heritage railways. For example Hampton was based on one on the SVR ISTR. Likewise they've done station buildings from the Great Central, K&WVR, NYMR, Also have done the Settle & Carlisle, March. 

 

"Granite" looks Midland. 

 

https://www.hattons.co.uk/164394/hornby_r9836_granite_station_buiding/stockdetail.aspx

 

 

Jason

 

The Hornby "Granite" station buildings are definitely Midland Settle & Carlisle- they've also been released in a different colourscheme as Dent station: 

https://www.hattons.co.uk/36047/hornby_r9680_dent_station/stockdetail.aspx

 

They released the matching Dent Snow Huts, and a Midland signal box as well.

 

Bachmann also did a Midland signal box- 44-172 "Tall signal box"

https://www.hattons.co.uk/52764/bachmann_branchline_44_172_tall_signal_box_102_x_65_x_120mm_/stockdetail.aspx

 

This is the box that originally stood on the level crossing at Coalville before it was moved to the former Snibston colliery/museum site: http://www.nigeltout.com/html/coalville-1970s.html

 

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15 hours ago, Ravenser said:

 

 

For clarity's sake , are you talking about railway buildings or ordinary lineside buildings?


The railway buildings in particular, but yes,  everything!
THanks again.

 

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5 hours ago, Phatbob said:


The railway buildings in particular, but yes,  everything!
THanks again.

 

 

Quite a lot of the Skaledale ordinary building are actually from Lincolnshire, although coming from the town in question I can confirm that business names have frequently been swapped round between buildings

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32 minutes ago, Ravenser said:

 

Quite a lot of the Skaledale ordinary building are actually from Lincolnshire, although coming from the town in question I can confirm that business names have frequently been swapped round between buildings

 

It's not a part of the world I know particularly well, but I had a vague memory that I'd read somewhere that some of the Skaledale buildings were of Lincolnshire prototypes.

 

One that defiintely isn't is R8756, Jubilee Clock Tower, which is the one on Margate seafront

https://www.hattons.co.uk/417004/hornby_r8756_po_clock_tower_skaledale_range_pre_owned_imperfect_box/stockdetail.aspx

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Margate_Clock_Tower_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1715234.jpg

 

Another Kent building, from Bachmann (44-0020) The Jackdaw pub, is from Denton, between Canterbury and Dover- it was used as a location for the 1969 "Battle of Britain" film

https://www.hattons.co.uk/301182/bachmann_branchline_44_0020_ln_the_jackdaw_pub_pre_owned_like_new/stockdetail.aspx

http://www.dover-kent.com/Jackdaw-Denton.html

 

The Jackdaw isn't the only film/TV star to appear in the Bachmann Scenecraft range- the "Corner Store" (44-0046) is from Lister Avenue in Doncaster- but is best known as Arkwright's shop in "Open All Hours"

https://www.hattons.co.uk/107467/bachmann_branchline_44_0046_brick_built_corner_store_wright_s_groceries_/stockdetail.aspx

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_All_Hours

 

There have been quite a few that I've looked at over the years and thought "That building looks familiar from somewhere"- Anyone able to offer some more definite IDs?

 

 

 

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On 15/09/2020 at 21:03, Phatbob said:

 

Thanks and over to you………………….

 

 

OK. So what you're really looking for is a complete list of all 'OO' RTP buildings ever produced by any manufacturer and which railway company's architecture they're based on??

 

Good luck with that.

 

Perhaps a better question might be "I'm modelling area X, in period Y and I'm looking for suitable RTP buildings. Can anyone make any suggestions?"

 

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36 minutes ago, wirey33 said:

 

OK. So what you're really looking for is a complete list of all 'OO' RTP buildings ever produced by any manufacturer and which railway company's architecture they're based on??

 

Good luck with that.

 

That narrows it down to about 300 buildings by my estimation...

 

A complete list (say 'just' the post millennium Hornby and Bachmann ones) would be a useful resource but would take a huge amount of effort to create. Probably an impossible task for most of the non railway buildings with no defined 'house style'.

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On 15/09/2020 at 22:14, Ray Von said:

I've always liked this design:

dsc_1332.jpg.e4aa6eceb10527ff738d7a1e947ee478.jpg

But the finished article looks "wonky":

42-064_33365_Qty1_2.jpg.14f843a61293820d58027de14941d280.jpg

I believe it's based on a signal box in Wimbledon, the model is Farish.  Looks like a good candidate for a conversion into a pub circa 1983....

2001701827_Screenshot_20200915-2221032.png.6d627f9ea5bfcca831d3e192f3bfc3eb.png


The Kebab and Calculator! It must be Madness in there (and full of Young Ones)! :wink_mini::wink_mini:

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The prototype of the Bachmann Art Deco style low relief cinema is in Loughborough, nowadays branded as Odeon, though it has had other names...

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4 hours ago, wirey33 said:

 

OK. So what you're really looking for is a complete list of all 'OO' RTP buildings ever produced by any manufacturer and which railway company's architecture they're based on??

 

Good luck with that.

 

Perhaps a better question might be "I'm modelling area X, in period Y and I'm looking for suitable RTP buildings. Can anyone make any suggestions?"

 

 

I took it to mean just the recent ones from Bachmann/Hornby rather than anything obscure made in someone's shed or from the mists of time. Things you can walk in to your local model shop and buy.

 

I read it as "What prototype is ref XYZ station building?". We've had previous threads on things like the Airfix and what is now the Gaugemaster/Fordhampton kits.

 

The OP did say North Cornwall and Cambrian as a footnote.

 

 

 

Jason

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Bachmann scenecraft clock tower 44-584 is based on Downham Market, Norfolk.

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downham market.jpg

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Lovetts  butchers in the Bachmann range is based on papworths in sheringham 

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Bachmann have had a tradition of renaming models of retail businesses after staff members, as in this case.

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