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1 hour ago, atom3624 said:

 

We know Triang were both very clever, but ultimately compromising in many / most applications, hence my general comments.

YES, I know they're miles different in obvious details, but the general comment remains - I think this is the actual locomotive implied in the Triang / Hornby Dock shunter.

 

There's no 'verandah' at the back of the Triang one, but the very general shape is really quite similar - with a tad of imagination of course.

 

Al.

 

Triang must have had a good crystal ball then.

 

The Triang "model" came out two years before they were built.

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I wouldn't mind one of these for my small industrial fleet, when the OO model comes out.

I must say I was slightly amused by the advertising hype for the O gauge version: "all-wheel drive and pick up"! For an 0-4-0, I think we would expect that. :D

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Porcy's law (or Porcy's rule of wishlists and telling the manufactures what they should have produced analogies):

 

Invoked.

 

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7 hours ago, Dava said:

Looks like a nice model, but I have to ask why?

 

There have been 3 kits in 7mm scale I can count including the easy to build DJH one. Other BR 0-4-0 shunter types are available as prototypes, some much more numerous and which worked in wider areas such as Scotland. A Barclay 01 or 06, NBL or R&H loco would have been something new. The 20 02s didn’t work much beyond Merseyside.

 

Dava

 

Because most railway modellers aren't railway modellers, it's a lot easier to sit on your hands, not learn any new skills, wait for a box to open then find fault with it.

Mike.

 

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14 hours ago, atom3624 said:

Isn't this essentially the same as the famous Hornby 'Dock Shunter'?

 

Al.


I think where you may be going wrong is that it’s not the Tri-ang Dock Shunter  that you mean , but the more modern 0-4-0 diesel that uses the “Smokey Joe” chassis , that is a Hornby model . I think that is supposed to be a class 2 , but probably more of an interpretation of the model to get it to fit on an existing chassis .  However this Heljan one will be a scale model and I’m sure will be an accurate model of the class.

 

So to answer your question not the Dock Shunter but possibly the Hornby 0-4-0 diesel Shunter that dates fro the 80s 

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16 hours ago, adb968008 said:

Ive been thinking to do the DJM kit for years, 


Unfortunate typo? DJH, surely?

 

16 hours ago, D9020 Nimbus said:

Heljan seem to be developing a niche in small diesel shunters 


Ahhh, so much more positive and diplomatic than my initial thought, which was ‘ploughing the same old furrow’. 

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12 minutes ago, truffy said:

Ahhh, so much more positive and diplomatic than my initial thought, which was ‘ploughing the same old furrow’. 

 

Heljan have done well with their small shunters, I would be more inclined to the positives in this.


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1 hour ago, Legend said:


I think where you may be going wrong is that it’s not the Tri-ang Dock Shunter  that you mean , but the more modern 0-4-0 diesel that uses the “Smokey Joe” chassis , that is a Hornby model . I think that is supposed to be a class 2 , but probably more of an interpretation of the model to get it to fit on an existing chassis .  However this Heljan one will be a scale model and I’m sure will be an accurate model of the class.

 

So to answer your question not the Dock Shunter but possibly the Hornby 0-4-0 diesel Shunter that dates fro the 80s 

Hornbys 1980’s 0-4-0 diesel is a very small nod towards a class 06.

 

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49 minutes ago, Roy Langridge said:

 

Heljan have done well with their small shunters

 

All sold out at full retail price then?

 

(4mm may be different to 7mm of course).

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1 hour ago, Enterprisingwestern said:

 

Because most railway modellers aren't railway modellers, it's a lot easier to sit on your hands, not learn any new skills, wait for a box to open then find fault with it.

Mike.

 

These days it takes great skill to extract a model from its packaging, particularly with O gauge.

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44 minutes ago, Hal Nail said:

 

All sold out at full retail price then?

 

(4mm may be different to 7mm of course).

 

Don't confuse demand with whether it is a good model or not. That is two different issues.

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Well I’m pleased as it’ll fit my little plan nicely in O with an industrial livery :)

The OO version will be welcome in BR too . .

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FINALLY! 

Yes there have been kits but this is very welcome. 

I just hope it can be P4'd without an engineering faff...

Look at it as a new source material. Yes it will come out of a box but it's the gilding that will bring out the full potential.....

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14 hours ago, Porcy Mane said:

Aye but will the wasp striped locos be the fully industrialised versions? They looked substantially different.

 

https://flic.kr/p/9LQCha

 

P

 

As the other industrial liveries are ex BR were there full wasp stripe versions elsewhere that were ex BR? It looks a fairly easy option for them to tool as it looks like a box that sits on the footplate effectively, although a separation line would be inevitable. 

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One of these in rust, with no bonnet panels, and nine random EFE 1938 stock cars and I can recreate my 1982 derailment. And a big Volvo BM digger to get them back on the rails again and tow them down to be cut up...

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11 hours ago, atom3624 said:

 

We know Triang were both very clever, but ultimately compromising in many / most applications, hence my general comments.

YES, I know they're miles different in obvious details, but the general comment remains - I think this is the actual locomotive implied in the Triang / Hornby Dock shunter.

 

There's no 'verandah' at the back of the Triang one, but the very general shape is really quite similar - with a tad of imagination of course.

 

Al.

 

I think the general consensus is that the Triang Dock shunter is very loosely based on a Bagnall prototype like this one. 

https://chasewaterrailwaymuseum.blog/tag/diesel-shunters/

 

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3 hours ago, Legend said:


I think where you may be going wrong is that it’s not the Tri-ang Dock Shunter  that you mean , but the more modern 0-4-0 diesel that uses the “Smokey Joe” chassis , that is a Hornby model . I think that is supposed to be a class 2 , but probably more of an interpretation of the model to get it to fit on an existing chassis .  However this Heljan one will be a scale model and I’m sure will be an accurate model of the class.

 

You're thinking of the "Class 06" model there which is not the same thing at all and probably top of my diesel wish-list these days .

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55 minutes ago, frobisher said:

 

You're thinking of the "Class 06" model there which is not the same thing at all and probably top of my diesel wish-list these days .

No I think he means the modern Bagnall derived start set diesel in the middle of this pic ;)

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Seems my ignorance started something!

 

It was an interesting sharing of information but the long shot is we'll be getting something which is accurate now.

 

Al.

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5 hours ago, adb968008 said:

Hornbys 1980’s 0-4-0 diesel is a very small nod towards a class 06.

 


You’re right adb, I got confused , the more recent Hornby Shunter is supposed to be an 06 , not 02 .  

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2 minutes ago, Legend said:


You’re right adb, I got confused , the more recent Hornby Shunter is supposed to be an 06 , not 02 .  

 

The most recent of the "Railroad" shunters is meant to be a Bagnall.

 

https://www.hattons.co.uk/430480/hornby_r3755_bagnall_diesel_shunter_0_4_0_d9706_in_br_green_railroad_range/stockdetail.aspx

 

The one from the 1980s is meant to be a 06.

 

First appeared in 1987.

 

http://www.hornbyguide.com/item_year_details.asp?itemyearid=1951

 

 

I suppose they have four wheels but I don't understand why we are even mentioning them....

 

 

Jason

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27 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said:

 

I suppose they have four wheels but I don't understand why we are even mentioning them....

 

 

It's a form of group therapy.  

 

At least while we're muttering about these, we're not using the F*** word.

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And here is a couple at Allerton in the early 1970s.   Wonder if they will be weathered like below!

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How about modelling this one?

 

 D2862, Blackpool North MPD, 10-09-1966. (so my records show, but I've got a feeling it was actually Fleetwood?).

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On 16/09/2020 at 23:50, Dava said:

Looks like a nice model, but I have to ask why?

 

There have been 3 kits in 7mm scale I can count including the easy to build DJH one. Other BR 0-4-0 shunter types are available as prototypes, some much more numerous and which worked in wider areas such as Scotland. A Barclay 01 or 06, NBL or R&H loco would have been something new. The 20 02s didn’t work much beyond Merseyside.

 

Dava

A few of them got about. I have photos of them at Newton Heath, Oldham (Lees) shed, Reddish, Lostock Hall, Preston, Blackpool North, and a little further afield under repair at Derby Works, and in the roundhouse at Burton, D2859 was allocated there from 31/12/60 until 10/64. D2859 then spent a shot spell up at Newton Heath MPD before transferring to Goole shed (50D) in 07/67, along with D2865 where it stayed until withdrawn 03/70.

 

So scope for them to appear in a few other places than around the Liverpool area. They got even further afield in industrial service, and if my memory is correct, I seem to remember a reference in a Rly Observer that two of them went on load from BR to Pennyfordd Cement Works in the late 60's.

 

Paul J.

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