Ruston Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 I have tried Humbrol enamel and Tamiya acrylic matt varnishes. None of them ever come out properly matt in the way that their respective matt paints do. There is always a sheen, no matter how well I've shaken and stirred the stuff. I tried Humbrol clearcote but that doesn't work either. What's the secret to getting the right finish with these products, or what other varnishes are out there that do give a proper matt finish when brush-painting? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mick Bonwick Posted September 17, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 17, 2020 I have had good results with this: https://www.migjimenez.com/en/acrylic-colors/1189-ultra-matt-lucky-varnish.html BUT, I have to say not 100% good. With one application I had to remove (IPA) and replace because of a white discolouration. I'm certain that that was because I hd applied it too thickly. Building up with thin coats is recommended. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 I have built dozens of kits, most of which are brush painted with acrylic. I have had 100% success with Testor's Glosscote and Dullcote. These are aerosol. John 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 13 hours ago, Ruston said: I have tried Humbrol enamel and Tamiya acrylic matt varnishes. None of them ever come out properly matt in the way that their respective matt paints do. There is always a sheen, no matter how well I've shaken and stirred the stuff. I tried Humbrol clearcote but that doesn't work either. What's the secret to getting the right finish with these products, or what other varnishes are out there that do give a proper matt finish when brush-painting? Humbrol Matt enamel varnish requires mixing/stirring very thoroughly as the matting agent tends to sink to the bottom of the tin, especially if it's not been used for some time. Flat sable haired brushes will give the best results. Beware the newer/latest branded tins of Humbrol varnishes appear to contain a gloopy grey sludge nothing like a varnish ! I returned some recently purchased tins of Satin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Fen End Pit Posted September 17, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 17, 2020 I've been having success with Humbrol Matt Cote (comes in a bottle rather than a tin). I found that the tins of Matt 49 tend to go white. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted September 17, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Fen End Pit said: I found that the tins of Matt 49 tend to go white. I usually got one of two results from Matt 49, gloss or white. Doesn't matter how it's stored or how long it is stirred for I can't seem to get a consistent clear matt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted September 18, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 18, 2020 I got a bottle of matt varnish from the model shop on Carnforth station. It was unbranded and what they use on their Pendle Valley Models. It is excellent and gives a really flat finish without any problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meil Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 20 hours ago, brossard said: I have built dozens of kits, most of which are brush painted with acrylic. I have had 100% success with Testor's Glosscote and Dullcote. These are aerosol. John You can buy Dullcote in a jar for brush painting 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 I have never brush painted varnish onto models, I can't see how that would work well. Maybe if the jar stuff was airbrushed... John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hal Nail Posted September 18, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 18, 2020 (edited) On 17/09/2020 at 23:58, TheSignalEngineer said: I usually got one of two results from Matt 49, gloss or white. Doesn't matter how it's stored or how long it is stirred for I can't seem to get a consistent clear matt. I stir it pretty thoroughly then put a small amount of it onto a palette (Kipling's pie tin) and let it down with thinners. I usually only do small areas, eg number patches on wagons but even so have got an even matt finish and not had any problem, other than invariably chucking half the tin as it goes chalky. Edited September 19, 2020 by Hal Nail 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM42 Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 I find Revell works quite well. That said, I have only painted small patches over decals to hide the gloss patch Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
walrus Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 20 hours ago, SM42 said: I find Revell works quite well. Which one? Acrylic or enamel? Matt or gloss? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 96701 Posted October 10, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2020 The latest bit of matt varnishing what I did was after airbrushing with Precision Paints BR Blue with a matt finish, then brushing some old well mixed Humbrol enamel gloss varnish where I wanted to stick some transfers on. Having stuck some transfers on, I then protected them with some old well mixed Humbrol matt varnish. I am a little disappointed to find that the old well mixed Humbrol enamel matt varnish is more matt than the air brushed Precision Paint matt BR blue. I now have to practice weathernig to hide different matts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 For all my kits Phil, after painting, I spray the whole thing with Glosscote. (If there is glazing, you might want to leave this off until after varnishing). This gives a key for the transfers and also evens out the finish. After transfers, I give the model an all over spray of Dullcote to seal the transfers. It also improves the finish even further. I then weather using enamel wash, airbrushed dirt and powder. John 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ianLMS Posted October 12, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2020 (edited) This is the stuff I use if I want to brush on a matt varnish. Excellent results as long as you use it sparingly and its very quick drying. https://www.amazon.com/Av-Vallejo-liquid-Varnish-55ml/dp/B002Z8F2R6/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2IY055RXB6QFE&dchild=1&keywords=vallejo+acrylic+matt+varnish&qid=1602491701&sprefix=vallejo+acrylic+matt%2Caps%2C262&sr=8-2 Ian Edited October 12, 2020 by ianLMS 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 08221 Posted October 12, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 hour ago, ianLMS said: This is the stuff I use if I want to brush on a matt varnish. Excellent results as long as you use it sparingly and its very quick drying. https://www.amazon.com/Av-Vallejo-liquid-Varnish-55ml/dp/B002Z8F2R6/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2IY055RXB6QFE&dchild=1&keywords=vallejo+acrylic+matt+varnish&qid=1602491701&sprefix=vallejo+acrylic+matt%2Caps%2C262&sr=8-2 Ian Another vote for Vallejo, I’ve been using it for years when I have renumbered diesels in my fleet. Use it thinly and it’s almost invisible once dried - excellent stuff! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted October 12, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2020 I use Winsor & Newton Galeria Acrylic Mediums Matt Varnish and find it brushes on very well. It is also stocked by a local card and art shop, which is handy as we don't have a local model shop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM42 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) On 10/10/2020 at 16:33, walrus said: Which one? Acrylic or enamel? Matt or gloss? Enamel matt. Transfers applied to Humbrol enamel gloss patches, Revell enamel matt over the top. Andy Edited October 13, 2020 by SM42 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cnw6847 Posted October 13, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 13, 2020 After my supplies of Polly Scale were exhausted I've used the Vallejo Matt Varnish and find it brushes very nicely. A couple of light coats works a treat. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 On 11/10/2020 at 00:52, 96701 said: The latest bit of matt varnishing what I did was after airbrushing with Precision Paints BR Blue with a matt finish, then brushing some old well mixed Humbrol enamel gloss varnish where I wanted to stick some transfers on. Having stuck some transfers on, I then protected them with some old well mixed Humbrol matt varnish. I am a little disappointed to find that the old well mixed Humbrol enamel matt varnish is more matt than the air brushed Precision Paint matt BR blue. I now have to practice weathernig to hide different matts. Most Precision paints according to their labels, have a "Dull" finish more like satin/eggshell and not Matt. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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