RMweb Premium njee20 Posted October 13, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 13, 2020 They’re far more detailed. What else has improved with wagons since the Triang days...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisis Rail Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 On 18/09/2020 at 07:37, Roy Langridge said: You have just made me so happy! Roy ….you haven't seen it yet Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMS Railtech Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Trains4U said: I'd just like to add... To clear any potential confusion. Speaking purely on behalf of Trains4U, all of the orders placed with us are accepted as genuine pre-orders. We have committed a lot of time, money and energy to this project over several months, and we are excited to see it come to fruition. Without wishing to put other financing models under scrutiny, recent history cannot be ignored. Having seen first hand the impact of deposit losses on customers, and the mistrust it can bring, I am morally opposed to taking deposits from customers on pre-orders. That may be less secure for me as a financier of this project (And Trains4U has made a significant capital investment in this project) but it is the business decision I have elected to take, and I hope in the long-run it was the right one to make. This is the same approach I have taken with the forthcoming KFA Warflat, and that is in production as I type, with no deposits taken. I trust that the majority of my customers will honour their commitments, just as they trust in me as the retailer to provide the end product. Anyone who has seen the Cavalex PGA hopper, BBA steel wagon or the prototypes of the KFA warflat and TEA tanker will know what to expect of the HAA. It will be an excellent model. I would just like to echo these words on behalf of KMS Railtech. We have been working on this project for quite some time along with Cavalex. We are delighted to be working in conjunction with Trains4U, and decided to operate the same pre order form as them in the interests of continuity for customers wishing to order from both Trains4U and ourselves. We also decided that we would operate a no deposit system for pre orders on this project, and will do so wherever possible on other projects. We have invested significant funds into the project and it will be seen to completion. We too have seen the impact of failed deposit schemes in the past, however some of our other projects simply cannot go ahead without deposits. The HAA/CDA has been in tooling for some time now and we are very excited to see it in the flesh! P.S. We too were there! 10 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold pheaton Posted October 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, njee20 said: They’re far more detailed. What else has improved with wagons since the Triang days...? deleted misread post Edited October 13, 2020 by pheaton 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fisher Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, njee20 said: They’re far more detailed. What else has improved with wagons since the Triang days...? MK1 Wobbly chassis released around forty years ago! at if my memory serves me right at about 75p??.....the buffers looked a little bit like a solid oleo. MK2 Then you had one with buffers from a design favoured by GW Churchward...possibly but hey it was sprung.... Oh and bits would fall off randomly. Oh and those buffers....sprung great but did I mention they bore no resemblance to anything oleo related. The shape was a bit iffy on both Hornby takes. They then basically invented a box body for their COALFISH, it was soon "retooled" Bits would still fall off. They then released batches at increased prices which had them sat on shelves...but its a new generation model, with some major flaws.. Some models you can have a hack at but the HAA family sort of relies on the bucket being accurate, it wasn't. The next generation deserve to do well. Edited October 13, 2020 by Ian Fisher 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted October 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Crisis Rail said: ….you haven't seen it yet Roy True, but I have faith having got other Cavalex wagons that are top-drawer. Roy 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markw Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 39 minutes ago, Ian Fisher said: MK1 Wobbly chassis released around forty years ago! at if my memory serves me right at about 75p??.....the buffers looked a little bit like a solid oleo. MK2 Then you had one with buffers from a design favoured by GW Churchward...possibly but hey it was sprung.... Oh and bits would fall off randomly. Oh and those buffers....sprung great but did I mention they bore no resemblance to anything oleo related. The shape was a bit iffy on both Hornby takes. They then basically invented a box body for their COALFISH, it was soon "retooled" Bits would still fall off. They then released batches at increased prices which had them sat on shelves...but its a new generation model, with some major flaws.. Some models you can have a hack at but the HAA family sort of relies on the bucket being accurate, it wasn't. The next generation deserve to do well. And both the original and re-tooled versions have the tri-ang 2mm too high buffer beam. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj_crisp Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Looking forward to these! Have you opened pre-orders for the CDAs? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stationroad Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I just put my preorder in with both KMS and T4U and I can't wait! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMS Railtech Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 11 minutes ago, stationroad said: I just put my preorder in with both KMS and T4U and I can't wait! Thanks very much, we can't either! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMS Railtech Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 25 minutes ago, dj_crisp said: Looking forward to these! Have you opened pre-orders for the CDAs? Thanks - we're very excited too! We will give an update on the CDAs very soon in its own thread, but we'll of course add the info here as a heads up! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisis Rail Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) On 13/10/2020 at 19:59, KMS Railtech said: I would just like to echo these words on behalf of KMS Railtech. We have been working on this project for quite some time along with Cavalex. We are delighted to be working in conjunction with Trains4U, and decided to operate the same pre order form as them in the interests of continuity for customers wishing to order from both Trains4U and ourselves. We also decided that we would operate a no deposit system for pre orders on this project, and will do so wherever possible on other projects. We have invested significant funds into the project and it will be seen to completion. We too have seen the impact of failed deposit schemes in the past, however some of our other projects simply cannot go ahead without deposits. The HAA/CDA has been in tooling for some time now and we are very excited to see it in the flesh! P.S. We too were there! Colossus wagon in close up situations like your above images. I remember the Cumbrian Coast flows from the now defunct Haig? colliery near Workington? to Fidlers Ferry in the late 70’s and early 80’s 32 HAA and a brakevan single Class 47 lineside through Kents Bank at near full chat. Something you tend not to forget. Ian Edited October 17, 2020 by Crisis Rail 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ruggedpeak Posted October 14, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 14, 2020 Just seen the ad in Rail Express Modeller for these, triple packs at £89.95 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted October 14, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 14, 2020 5 hours ago, Crisis Rail said: I remember the Cumbrian Coast flows from the now defunct Haig colliery near Workington to Fidlers Ferry in the late 70’s and early 80’s 32 HAA and a brakevan single Class 47 lineside through Kents Bank at near full chat. Something you tend not to forget. Slight correction - Haig was in Whitehaven not Workington. Coal came down a conveyor to be loaded at the harbour side in Whitehaven. HAAs were also later used to take coal from Maryport south. Cheers Mike 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Are there any plans to do the version with a roof that was used for lime traffic from the Peak District to Port Talbot (CBA?) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted October 14, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 14, 2020 18 minutes ago, Fat Controller said: Are there any plans to do the version with a roof that was used for lime traffic from the Peak District to Port Talbot (CBA?) Welcome to the CBA party splitters Brian. @pinzaand I are already members.... posted one of Bob Masterman’s super photos of the train in question on the CDA thread.... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisis Rail Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 hour ago, red death said: Slight correction - Haig was in Whitehaven not Workington. Coal came down a conveyor to be loaded at the harbour side in Whitehaven. HAAs were also later used to take coal from Maryport south. Cheers Mike Thanks Mike - was a while back! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D9502 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 22 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said: I've got a cat, and there seem to be a few pigeons round here, so, what is so manifestly wrong with the re-tooled Hornby HAA that makes these new models so much of an improvement? I'm only asking, I don't want a Halibut moment, but I'm interested in peoples (other than the usual suspects) views and opinions. Mike. Hornby HAA 1. weird floating suspension on both axles, modellers often glued one in situ, mine ran fine but would occasionally wobble as if drunk.. 2. the hopper body was misaligned with the top of the cradle/frame (and that's what really jarred with me - it didn't look right at all) 3. crude brake gear under the solebar, certainly by today's tooling and design standards 4. top of hopper looked wrong, too thick? 5. malnourished buffers 6. i think the rivets or reinforcement was missing for the early builds along the mid hopper body - its been discussed before on this forum somewhere... i.e. the body wasn't right for a particular era, can't remember which 7. no hopper door detail underneath, I know you can't see it when running on a layout but look at the underneath of the Accurascale MMA or Cavalex PGA or Cavalex BLA...or Revolution TEA etc... you get my point. So really although it's (Hornby model) been around for ages its long overdue for a 21st Century upgrade, especially if you haven't got any. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj_crisp Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 hour ago, D9502 said: Hornby HAA 1. weird floating suspension on both axles, modellers often glued one in situ, mine ran fine but would occasionally wobble as if drunk.. 2. the hopper body was misaligned with the top of the cradle/frame (and that's what really jarred with me - it didn't look right at all) 3. crude brake gear under the solebar, certainly by today's tooling and design standards 4. top of hopper looked wrong, too thick? 5. malnourished buffers 6. i think the rivets or reinforcement was missing for the early builds along the mid hopper body - its been discussed before on this forum somewhere... i.e. the body wasn't right for a particular era, can't remember which 7. no hopper door detail underneath, I know you can't see it when running on a layout but look at the underneath of the Accurascale MMA or Cavalex PGA or Cavalex BLA...or Revolution TEA etc... you get my point. So really although it's (Hornby model) been around for ages its long overdue for a 21st Century upgrade, especially if you haven't got any. Oh and a pig to try and convert to EM.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted October 14, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 hour ago, D9502 said: Hornby HAA 1. weird floating suspension on both axles, modellers often glued one in situ, mine ran fine but would occasionally wobble as if drunk.. 2. the hopper body was misaligned with the top of the cradle/frame (and that's what really jarred with me - it didn't look right at all) 3. crude brake gear under the solebar, certainly by today's tooling and design standards 4. top of hopper looked wrong, too thick? 5. malnourished buffers 6. i think the rivets or reinforcement was missing for the early builds along the mid hopper body - its been discussed before on this forum somewhere... i.e. the body wasn't right for a particular era, can't remember which 7. no hopper door detail underneath, I know you can't see it when running on a layout but look at the underneath of the Accurascale MMA or Cavalex PGA or Cavalex BLA...or Revolution TEA etc... you get my point. So really although it's (Hornby model) been around for ages its long overdue for a 21st Century upgrade, especially if you haven't got any. 27 minutes ago, dj_crisp said: Oh and a pig to try and convert to EM.... , but I was talking about the re-tooled version. The old version is more of a pig to convert to 14mm wheels than it is to EM. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisis Rail Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 2 hours ago, D9502 said: Hornby HAA 1. weird floating suspension on both axles, modellers often glued one in situ, mine ran fine but would occasionally wobble as if drunk.. 2. the hopper body was misaligned with the top of the cradle/frame (and that's what really jarred with me - it didn't look right at all) 3. crude brake gear under the solebar, certainly by today's tooling and design standards 4. top of hopper looked wrong, too thick? 5. malnourished buffers 6. i think the rivets or reinforcement was missing for the early builds along the mid hopper body - its been discussed before on this forum somewhere... i.e. the body wasn't right for a particular era, can't remember which 7. no hopper door detail underneath, I know you can't see it when running on a layout but look at the underneath of the Accurascale MMA or Cavalex PGA or Cavalex BLA...or Revolution TEA etc... you get my point. So really although it's (Hornby model) been around for ages its long overdue for a 21st Century upgrade, especially if you haven't got any. Yes. That was back then. What was your Traction a Lima Class 37? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottrains29 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 On 14/10/2020 at 17:28, D9502 said: Hornby HAA 1. weird floating suspension on both axles, modellers often glued one in situ, mine ran fine but would occasionally wobble as if drunk.. 2. the hopper body was misaligned with the top of the cradle/frame (and that's what really jarred with me - it didn't look right at all) 3. crude brake gear under the solebar, certainly by today's tooling and design standards 4. top of hopper looked wrong, too thick? 5. malnourished buffers 6. i think the rivets or reinforcement was missing for the early builds along the mid hopper body - its been discussed before on this forum somewhere... i.e. the body wasn't right for a particular era, can't remember which 7. no hopper door detail underneath, I know you can't see it when running on a layout but look at the underneath of the Accurascale MMA or Cavalex PGA or Cavalex BLA...or Revolution TEA etc... you get my point. So really although it's (Hornby model) been around for ages its long overdue for a 21st Century upgrade, especially if you haven't got any. To be fair you seem to be talking about the old, now Railroad, version. The (2003?) Hornby retooled sprung buffer version fixed most of your points above, though annoyingly your point 2 still remained. I don't think the 'new' Hornby version is that bad, but the cradle misalignment really stands out making the model look wrong. Looking forward to getting a fair few of these new accurate HAAs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRDBLUE17 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Hi KMS/Trains4U, Since this model was announced I’ve been working out if a rake will fit my new layout so have held off putting in a pre order. My other dilemma is whether to go with a 90’s era set based on the end of the Cumbrian Coast workings from Maryport Rapid loader to Fiddlers Ferry or Rugeley. These had a 47 and 30 wagons and 60’s appeared around 1991. I’m not quite sure when these finished as the Padiham coal went out in POA’s behind a 60 and ended in 1993. Or a final years rake that I saw working around Fife with the very weathered red/yellow under grime along with EWS and Blue cradles mixed in with a 66 hauling. Tonight I’ve solved one problem by planning an extension to my fiddle yard width wise which will add in 6 extra roads with a couple long enough for 30 wagons. I’m delighted to see this is still going ahead as planned as I’m confident the Cavalex model will be excellent based on the BBA’s I have. Just need to decide on the formation. Thanks Mark 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMS Railtech Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 6 hours ago, MRDBLUE17 said: Hi KMS/Trains4U, Since this model was announced I’ve been working out if a rake will fit my new layout so have held off putting in a pre order. My other dilemma is whether to go with a 90’s era set based on the end of the Cumbrian Coast workings from Maryport Rapid loader to Fiddlers Ferry or Rugeley. These had a 47 and 30 wagons and 60’s appeared around 1991. I’m not quite sure when these finished as the Padiham coal went out in POA’s behind a 60 and ended in 1993. Or a final years rake that I saw working around Fife with the very weathered red/yellow under grime along with EWS and Blue cradles mixed in with a 66 hauling. Tonight I’ve solved one problem by planning an extension to my fiddle yard width wise which will add in 6 extra roads with a couple long enough for 30 wagons. I’m delighted to see this is still going ahead as planned as I’m confident the Cavalex model will be excellent based on the BBA’s I have. Just need to decide on the formation. Thanks Mark Thanks for the support Mark. We look forward to seeing your order and hopefully some images of the rake when they arrive! Sorry we can’t help in the decision making on which rake. Did you say your new fiddle yard would take two rakes? :-D on a side note, we have plenty of track in stock! ;-) 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Grimleygrid Posted November 12, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 12, 2020 We’re excited to show off 3D renders of our original body HAA, or HOP32AB as it was originally classified. The HOP32AB, has a number of different features compared with its re-bodied counterpart. These differences will be faithfully replicated on our model when it is released. 23 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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