RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted November 25, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 25, 2020 Apologies if I've missed it, but is anyone doing the barrier wagon variant, eg, the 100 ton bogie oil tank train version? Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Is this related to the TEA tank wagon rather than the HAA hopper? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railfreight1998 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 I think Mike's referring to these; (Flickr link) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 ah, that looks like an original body hopper which is on our product list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted November 25, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 25, 2020 Yes, an early/original body style, there weren't many air braked wagons to use as barrier wagons at the time, so MGR's were used, some with specific branding for the working involved, the ones I remember were lettered for Thames Haven services. To think laterally and alternatively, does anyone do the transfers to convert a production model. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimleygrid Posted November 26, 2020 Author Share Posted November 26, 2020 Since announcing our HAA family of wagons they’ve proven to be one of our most popular wagons to date. We’ve included two further unseen variants in the image above as well! Preorder details will follow in due course for these further variants. If you want to preorder the Cavalex HAA, HFA and CDA variants please follow the links below: www.kmsrailtech.co.uk / Pre order the Cavalex HAA, and KMS exclusive HAAs here - https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfdBrmkLW5ZPk2KV2hm3DaL3dnGr0xuPw9z9szbY86GaxS5fA/viewform www.trains4u.com / Pre order the Cavalex HAA, and Trains4U exclusive HAAs here - https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdhxZiTraMx17iMXCGB0JR2AtIfNL2xKBJoLBOxa02AH95veQ/viewform?usp=sf_link 5 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
66738 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Found this video on YouTube. What hoppers are these at 1m10s? 66738 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meld Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) APCM PGA Hoppers, similar as derived from, but very different to HAA. different size hopper, different chassis size .... Meld Edited December 2, 2020 by meld get the right owning Co. - D'oh! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
66738 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 hour ago, meld said: BCPM PGA Hoppers, similar as derived from, but very different to HAA. different size hopper, different chassis size .... Meld Thanks for that. I’d never seen them before. Everyday is a school day! 66738 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 APCM not BPCM (a different company!) These are the hoppers https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/apcmgypsum drawing in David Monk Steel HMRS book. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9FEd Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 On 25/11/2020 at 07:30, Sails said: I have seen cement works mentioned, but any other small scale industrial locations the HAA's delivered coal? It doesn't really count as a 'small scale' industrial location but the ICI Winnington (later Brunner Mond) soda ash works in Northwich, Cheshire received coal in HAA's (the sister ICI Lostock Works also had a coal fired power station on site but did not receive in HAAs). Ultimately any non-power station industrial facility that consumed a sufficient volume of coal to justify the HAA operating facilities will always be on a larger scale. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetweenTheTunnels Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Will it be feasible to use a wheel puller or equivalent to pull the wheels on these out to P4, or will they need new axles/wheels? Also, can anyone tell me when the yellow cradle versions started to appear? Richie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 7 hours ago, Rochdale Road said: Will it be feasible to use a wheel puller or equivalent to pull the wheels on these out to P4, or will they need new axles/wheels? Also, can anyone tell me when the yellow cradle versions started to appear? Richie It was with Coal Sector the Yellow paint was applied, there were the publicity ones with big sector symbols but the first one I photographed was January 1989 with the small one at the right. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 9 hours ago, Rochdale Road said: Will it be feasible to use a wheel puller or equivalent to pull the wheels on these out to P4, or will they need new axles/wheels? Also, can anyone tell me when the yellow cradle versions started to appear? Richie Hi Richie. The wheel profile for P4 is different to OO. You could pull them out but I doubt that they would work with P4 track. EM of course is a different matter. The wagons have been designed to take replacement P4 wheelsets as a direct fit though as is standard with all of our products. Regards Cav 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted December 29, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, RBE said: Hi Richie. The wheel profile for P4 is different to OO. You could pull them out but I doubt that they would work with P4 track. EM of course is a different matter. The wagons have been designed to take replacement P4 wheelsets as a direct fit though as is standard with all of our products. Regards Cav RP 25/88? Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetweenTheTunnels Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, RBE said: Hi Richie. The wheel profile for P4 is different to OO. You could pull them out but I doubt that they would work with P4 track. EM of course is a different matter. The wagons have been designed to take replacement P4 wheelsets as a direct fit though as is standard with all of our products. Regards Cav Thanks Cav, I am just starting out in P4, so had forgotten about the wheel profile, can you advise what size wheels the HAAs take them I can investigate some options - maybe a bulk buy!!! Richie Edited December 29, 2020 by Rochdale Road Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimleygrid Posted February 1, 2021 Author Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) We’re really excited to show off our HAA and CDA EP samples which have arrived for review. There are a final few tweaks to be made, however we’re really happy with how they’re shaping up. We can’t wait for the painted samples which are due after The Chinese New Year! These models are exclusive to Trains4U and KMS Railtech and cannot be ordered through any other retailer. www.kmsrailtech.co.uk / https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfdBrmkLW5ZPk2KV2hm3DaL3dnGr0xuPw9z9szbY86GaxS5fA/viewform www.trains4u.com / https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdhxZiTraMx17iMXCGB0JR2AtIfNL2xKBJoLBOxa02AH95veQ/viewform Please visit the above websites for further information and details of these triple packs. More details on our HAA project can be found on our website here: https://www.cavalexmodels.com/4mm-projects/#HAA Edited February 1, 2021 by Grimleygrid 14 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richscylla Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) These look monstrous! The real HAAs had some serious presence that hasn't really come across in 00 in the past, but these look like they have nailed it! Looking forward to mine arriving! Edited February 1, 2021 by richscylla 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trains4U Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 I’m surprised no-one has commented on the green colour. These are the top-secret Military versions. The MOD ordered several dozen to distribute coal for the strategic reserve. no-one ever saw them as they were so well camouflaged. Allegedly they are still hidden in a tunnel somewhere under Wiltshire. They’ll go well with the KFAs. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold franciswilliamwebb Posted February 2, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, Trains4U said: I’m surprised no-one has commented on the green colour. We thought it was Improved Engine Orange Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyddrail Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 I take it the buffers will be replaced with the correct Oleo type on the finished model? Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trains4U Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 (edited) I’ve just been lucky enough to have a close look at these, and they are outstanding (I would say that though wouldn’t I) The detail is phenomenal and raises the bar yet again. what is noteworthy is that in a side-by-side comparison with a competing version, the hopper of the Cavalex model sits correctly in the cradle and is a good 2-3mm or so lower, the hopper is also (correctly) 6mm or so longer and the solebar slightly slimmer, giving it a proper bulky look, rather than a short and arguably overbalanced appearance. The hood on the CDA is also an excellent piece of engineering with some lovely etched brass detail. I’m sure Cav and Alex can better explain, but it is worth noting that these are tooling samples to test variation and fit, so won’t be a perfect match for an existing prototype. Edited February 2, 2021 by Trains4U 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimleygrid Posted February 2, 2021 Author Share Posted February 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Lyddrail said: I take it the buffers will be replaced with the correct Oleo type on the finished model? Cheers. Good evening Paul, Thank you for pointing that out, we appreciate all feedback. We are aware that some parts have been incorrectly fitted to the wrong version, such as the CDA buffers being fitted to an HAA. This will be added to the list for attention ahead of the painted samples. The HAA will have OLEO type buffers as per the prototype. We will review the samples and provide our feedback to the factory in due course. Hope that helps. If you have any additional comments then please do let us know. Many thanks 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted February 2, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 2, 2021 Well I was just liking the CDA’s but now I’ve gone and bought the EFE original livery 58 in a moment of rose tinted madness to remember sitting on the bank at my uncles farm watching MGR trains! Maybe just a few to make it look good . . . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimleygrid Posted February 3, 2021 Author Share Posted February 3, 2021 22 hours ago, PaulRhB said: Well I was just liking the CDA’s but now I’ve gone and bought the EFE original livery 58 in a moment of rose tinted madness to remember sitting on the bank at my uncles farm watching MGR trains! Maybe just a few to make it look good . . . Hi Paul, I always thought that 58s looked best in the Original Railfreight livery so fully understand your purchase! Some links below to Flickr for some prototype inspiration to rekindle your memories!! I came across these photos the other day whilst browsing Flickr, justification for me purchasing a few HAAs for my layout I think! 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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