RMweb Gold 5BarVT Posted April 13, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, DavidMcKenzie said: One question (sorry I really am a beginner with all this), when you talk about overlap what exactly is that? We all had to start at the beginning at some point, no apology needed. It’s a safety margin beyond a signal in case something goes a bit wrong with the braking. Before a train can run towards a signal the overlap has to be clear of other trains and of routes that they are taking. Paul. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidMcKenzie Posted April 15, 2021 Author Share Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) On 13/04/2021 at 18:57, 5BarVT said: We all had to start at the beginning at some point, no apology needed. It’s a safety margin beyond a signal in case something goes a bit wrong with the braking. Before a train can run towards a signal the overlap has to be clear of other trains and of routes that they are taking. Paul. Thanks for that Paul, all fascinating information for someone with very little knowledge about these things. All the best, Dave Edited April 15, 2021 by DavidMcKenzie 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidMcKenzie Posted April 15, 2021 Author Share Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) Managed to sneak an hour of modelling time last night and got a bit more done on the station roof mock up. Bringing the roof down a bit has done a much better job of hiding the obvious that the trains disappear into the fiddle yard just after the roof starts. I found it hard to find an angle where you could look through and see into the off scene area other than looking directly down the rail. All the best, Dave Edited April 15, 2021 by DavidMcKenzie 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish trains jez Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 11 minutes ago, DavidMcKenzie said: Managed to sneak an hour of modelling time last night and got a bit more done on the station roof mock up. Bringing the roof down a bit has done a much better job of hiding the obvious that the trains disappear into the fiddle yard just after the roof starts. I found it hard to find an angle where you could look through and see into the off scenic area other than looking directly down the rail. All the best, Dave That's looking really good David and very effective scenic break. Best regards, Jeremy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidMcKenzie Posted April 18, 2021 Author Share Posted April 18, 2021 Some base colour went onto the station roof this afternoon. It still needs weathering and then 'planting' properly into the platforms, but the colour starts to bring it to life a little. All the best, Dave 18 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DavidMcKenzie Posted May 2, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 2, 2021 Before 'planting' the station roof the gravel needs to go down and be weathered and before the gravel can go down the foundations for the OHLE need to be added. The OHLE is all taken from Maid's Morton, so the heights and sizes are totally wrong, but the rough position of the feet have been marked out. Even though it's very rough and needs a LOT of tidying up and detailing yet, it does add the WCML feel to see some OHLE on the layout. The track also got another round of testing, wiring is not my strong point, but it seems to be working so far. This doesn't mean I am not worried that I will find issues the moment the glue dries on the gravel though . All the best, Dave 24 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidMcKenzie Posted May 2, 2021 Author Share Posted May 2, 2021 If anyone is knowledgeable enough to let me know if there is anything significant about the difference between the two 'legs' of the OHLE I would be very interested. Was one or other used in only specific situations? I had a mix of both on my previous layout without ever really even noticing that they were different . Many thanks, Dave 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MarshLane Posted May 2, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 2, 2021 Hi Dave, Looking good - as you say a real WCML feel to things. In answer to your OHL query, @Clive Mortimore is probably the chap to ask as he is very knowledgable on the subject. Rich 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
porkie Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 David I could be wrong. But I've seen the taller masts used on fast open sections of track. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DavidMcKenzie Posted May 15, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2021 (edited) Some gravel has gone down. The first layer was a bit of a disaster, I had marked things like point positions and concrete base positions with marker pen and the ink leaked through . The second layer (after applying some artists fix and then a coat of light grey) looks a lot better. Still a few mistakes along the way, including two signals that need some repair work , but nothing a bit of super glue won't fix. Only once the detailing is finished though because I can imagine the same happening again if I am to repair them now. The gravel needs weathering (highlighted by my wife's comment of "ah it looks like it's snowed on your railway" ). I made a little test section so I could have a play and go 'too far' and try a few new things without any worries. I think I've got a plan now and a mix of washes and powders that should work well. The only other development this week was the platforms getting a first base coat of colour to build on. A lot of weathering and detailing to go yet, but it's looking better than it did this time last week at least. All the best, Dave Edited May 15, 2021 by DavidMcKenzie 22 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidMcKenzie Posted May 19, 2021 Author Share Posted May 19, 2021 (edited) The back two lines got the first steps of weathering and detailing. The difference to the lines in the foreground is shown in the picture below. Hopefully once the are all weathered it won't look like it has snowed anymore . The points especially came alive with a bit of detailing and weathering. Unfortunately I ran out of glue and part of detailing was fixing up any bits of gravel that were out of place and I'd hoped to be sticking down a few weeds, bushes and lineside greenery. But that will have to wait now. Whilst waiting for more glue to arrive worked started on some little lineside detailing like cables, point motors, AWS ramps etc. Could anyone help me here? Are these two points motors realistically positioned in the center of the following photo? One looks very close to the platform (although it might be too late to fix that now) and the other looks wrong "between" the two slow lines. I don't know why but I always think of them as being on the "outside" of a twin line section. All the best, Dave Edited May 19, 2021 by DavidMcKenzie 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MarshLane Posted May 19, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 19, 2021 56 minutes ago, DavidMcKenzie said: Could anyone help me here? Are these two points motors realistically positioned in the center of the following photo? One looks very close to the platform (although it might be too late to fix that now) and the other looks wrong "between" the two slow lines. I don't know why but I always think of them as being on the "outside" of a twin line section. All the best, Dave Looks fine to me David. Whats your actual problem with it? How you perceive it should be, or does something look 'actually' wrong to you? Rich 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish trains jez Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Looking good David. The back wall is really effective. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 5BarVT Posted May 20, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 20, 2021 20 hours ago, DavidMcKenzie said: Could anyone help me here? Are these two points motors realistically positioned in the center of the following photo? One looks very close to the platform (although it might be too late to fix that now) and the other looks wrong "between" the two slow lines. I don't know why but I always think of them as being on the "outside" of a twin line section. On the ‘outside’ if you can (a lot safer in the old days, only needs Possession of one line for maintenance these days). There wouldn’t usually be room for a machine between the track and the platform so that one would likely be between the lines. Or just leave them and keep quiet! Paul. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidMcKenzie Posted May 26, 2021 Author Share Posted May 26, 2021 On 19/05/2021 at 22:07, MarshLane said: Looks fine to me David. Whats your actual problem with it? How you perceive it should be, or does something look 'actually' wrong to you? Rich It is only my perception that felt wrong. I have no idea really and all of my knowledge has come from the internet which is always dangerous. I will never get it perfect, it's only a model. But I would like to get everything so it looks like a plausible background and a nice backdrop for the trains. If there are too many things that are clearly wrong to a knowledgeable eye it might distract from the main thing which is the trains. On 20/05/2021 at 12:45, cornish trains jez said: Looking good David. The back wall is really effective. Thanks Jeremy, it's done exactly the job I wanted. It looks plausible without (hopefully) taking too much attention away from the foreground once it's finished. On 20/05/2021 at 17:55, 5BarVT said: On the ‘outside’ if you can (a lot safer in the old days, only needs Possession of one line for maintenance these days). There wouldn’t usually be room for a machine between the track and the platform so that one would likely be between the lines. Or just leave them and keep quiet! Paul. Thanks Paul, that is very helpful. I will switch them over (they are not glued down yet) and now I can stop looking at them wondering if they are in the right place or not. All he best, Dave 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidMcKenzie Posted June 7, 2021 Author Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) Small update, some more little details have been added. relay cabinets: The last of the point motors went in and the platform top surfaces got dulled down and blended into the rest. Still plenty to do. I just starting wondering what's next and in a about 30secs I managed to make the list below and realized that's probably going to keep my quiet for a long while: Detailing the platform top surfaces (drains, concrete patches and yellow + white lines) Finishing the track weathering and detailing Getting the tunnel mouths stuck down and blended in Getting some weeds and grass tufts down Weathering the lamp posts below without making them look pink will be a good challenge as well. The picture at the bottom does show them to be 'pink' but I am sure that this is something that could very quickly look outrageously bad if I get it wrong All the best, Dave Edited June 7, 2021 by DavidMcKenzie 15 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 5BarVT Posted June 7, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 7, 2021 The ‘pink’ is faded red. Paint came from Vauxhall . . . Paul. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spenc Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Your layout coming along nicely did you sort your masts the taller one is ground mounted shorter one platform mounted the picture on my thread I put the ground one on the platform no wonder it looked tall I finally finished mine they are so fidderley but look alright. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Pelham Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 14 hours ago, spenc said: Your layout coming along nicely did you sort your masts the taller one is ground mounted shorter one platform mounted the picture on my thread I put the ground one on the platform no wonder it looked tall I finally finished mine they are so fidderley but look alright. Hi Dave/Spenc, That's not strictly true, some of the gantries have the catenary wire running above the gantry, others have the catenary wire below the gantry; your photo has one of each by the look of it. Obviously it's the contact wire height that determines whether it should be ground or platform mounted. I'm no expert, but I have a set of Clive Mortimore's OHLE gantry drawings, and comparing these to "WCML 1980" Google search image results seems to indicate they were more specific to geographical locations. That said, around a station throat where there are anchors, tensioners etc there appears to be a mish-mash of gantry styles depending on the loads they are taking. Clear as mud! Cheers, Mark 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DavidMcKenzie Posted June 11, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2021 Thanks for all the replies, I am always overwhelmed by the collective knowledge on the forum. Managed to get a quick modelling session in and got some weeds and grass down. Ran out of brown wash I was using to base weather the gravel so it's hopefully pretty obvious which half's been attacked today and which half still needs doing. The OHLE storage solution probably wasn't typical of the late 90s, but it keeps it handy when needed as a template Then a shot with no train before realising I had a sprinter to hand. Said sprinter ended up posing everywhere. I got a little carried away, but great to see a train out and about on the layout. I also find the photos useful to help me notice all the little bits that need tidying up. Have a nice weekend, All the best, Dave 20 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish trains jez Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 Cracking stuff David! Have a good weekend! Best regards, Jeremy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DavidMcKenzie Posted June 28, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 28, 2021 (edited) The last of the track got weathered. It's probably good to stop here before I over do it. It's always temping to do 'just a tiny bit more' and then regret it later. All the best, Dave Edited June 28, 2021 by DavidMcKenzie 25 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MarshLane Posted June 28, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 28, 2021 Very nice Dave, Really looks good, and I think you 'stopped' at the right point, personally! Rich 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stuart A Posted June 28, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 28, 2021 Suberb! Looks very realistic. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish trains jez Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Top stuff David! Track looks superb! Looking forward to seeing some stock on it. Best regards, Jeremy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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