KR Models Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 https://krmodels.co.uk/collections/oo-gauge/products/consett-iron-ore-wagon The Consett Ore wagon was built for the conveyance of iron Ore from Tyne Dock to Consett specially constructed wagons of 56 tons capacity have been provided. Each wagon is fitted with: -the: vacuum automatic brake and four power-operated side discharge doors which are under the control of the train locomotive driver. These operated with the 9F and then the class 24. We would like to introduce this model both in OO and N gauges. It will be available in 3 packs of 3 wagons, using different running numbers. We will also offer a rake pack of all 9 wagons. The CAD work is done, tooling is underway. Delivery is expected 1st qtr 2021 Prices are 3 pack £67.00 and 9 pack £199.00 5 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) under frame is wrong as there were 4 tanks not 2 & there should be cross bracing on the frame work you have the 2 tanks linked to the linkage from the brake cylinder the tanks were for air to open the doors & notting to do with the brakes brake v hangers should be on the outside of the chassis not the inside Edited October 7, 2020 by mozzer models Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted October 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2020 At that price I think a few details missing from underneath can be added later. Shame I can't justify any on my layout but I'm sure they will sell well 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheatley Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 That price is remarkable for something that complex. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted October 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2020 Now that’s a well judged spotting of a niche in the market. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KR Models Posted October 7, 2020 Author Share Posted October 7, 2020 26 minutes ago, mozzer models said: under frame is wrong as there were 4 tanks not 2 & there should be cross bracing on the frame work you have the 2 tanks linked to the linkage from the brake cylinder the tanks were for air to open the doors & notting to do with the brakes brake v hangers should be on the outside of the chassis not the inside Many thanks, we'll look into this. 2 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, KR Models said: Many thanks, we'll look into this. I know you should never model a model but i have built a rake of kits of this model click photos for more photos Edited October 7, 2020 by mozzer models 5 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KR Models Posted October 7, 2020 Author Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 hour ago, mozzer models said: I know you should never model a model but i have built a rake of kits of this model click photos for more photos Do you have any drawings or photos of the underside? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KR Models Posted October 8, 2020 Author Share Posted October 8, 2020 44 minutes ago, chris p bacon said: You're a bit late if you're at tooling. I'm starting to get a feeling of Deja vu Tooling is underway, not finished. We can still change issues and errors. 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 2 hours ago, KR Models said: Tooling is underway, not finished. We can still change issues and errors. When someone is hell bent on being a troll and has a fetish for bashing KRM, basic English skills go out the window. Just ignore it and carry on. Ya'll have done a great job so far. Best of luck with the model. I'm sure it will be a success. Modifications to tooling after the 1st EP stage is common knowledge, but a troll will never understand that. Even when you're open to constructive criticism and ask for help, trolls will take that negatively. 6 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted October 8, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 8, 2020 7 hours ago, KR Models said: Do you have any drawings or photos of the underside? Bit late asking for drawings now. Do better research before getting things drawn up... Baz 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted October 8, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 8, 2020 2 hours ago, MGR Hooper! said: When someone is hell bent on being a troll and has a fetish for bashing KRM, basic English skills go out the window. Just ignore it and carry on. Ya'll have done a great job so far. Best of luck with the model. I'm sure it will be a success. Modifications to tooling after the 1st EP stage is common knowledge, but a troll will never understand that. Even when you're open to constructive criticism and ask for help, trolls will take that negatively. Nothing has been delivered by KRM yet. All projects have poor research backgrounds.. Baz 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Barry O said: Bit late asking for drawings now. Do better research before getting things drawn up... Baz Ummm....no! Technically a manufacturer can even make changes and re-visit drawings even after a product is released if they feel it can be approved or have information to improve it and have the cash to spend. Bigger manufacturers are constantly updating tooling for various models, most of those changes are internal. This project of KRM's has only just gone into the tooling. Changes are still easy to make. If you're going to flood KRM threads with your negativity, at least make sure you have some fact to back up your claims. I'd expect someone like you to know at least that much? Or is it a classic case of common sense goes out the window when you just want to be a troll. A classic feature in almost all KRM threads is the three trolls that won't stop. 1 hour ago, Barry O said: Nothing has been delivered by KRM yet. All projects have poor research backgrounds.. Baz Even when a manufacturer puts their hands up, accepts their mistakes and asks for help, people like you have an issue with it. I think you just want to flood KRM topics with your posts. You never really have an constructive criticism. Another one with a KRM bashing fetish!! Best ignored henceforth... 3 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clagsniffer Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Well I’m not bothered about the naysayers. I’m happy to say I’m in!!!!! Looking forward to seeing further progress. Best of luck! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted October 8, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 8, 2020 17 minutes ago, MGR Hooper! said: Ummm....no! Technically a manufacturer can even make changes and re-visit drawings even after a product is released if they feel it can be approved or have information to improve it and have the cash to spend. Bigger manufacturers are constantly updating tooling for various models, most of those changes are internal. This project of KRM's has only just gone into the tooling. Changes are still easy to make. If you're going to flood KRM threads with your negativity, at least make sure you have some fact to back up your claims. I'd expect someone like you to know at least that much? Or is it a classic case of common sense goes out the window when you just want to be a troll. A classic feature in almost all KRM threads is the three trolls that won't stop. Even when a manufacturer puts their hands up, accepts their mistakes and asks for help, people like you have an issue with it. I think you just want to flood KRM topics with your posts. You never really have an constructive criticism. Another one with a KRM bashing fetish!! Best ignored henceforth... Well if you read up on the Fell I did point them towars Mike Edge who had done a lot of research on the Fell before setting up the Judith Edge kits model.. they didn't seem to know that one is available. In the casevof the Consett Ore Hoppers they don't seem to be aware of the Dave Bradwell kit .. which does have the bits they are missing... So information is available but they don't seem to know much about... What is available in anything but the rtr supply list How to get the information together to get a model correct early 8n the process. It should not be up to us to provide a list of things which need to be corrected..they should slow down the number of models they are trying to do and get the information correct. I know how much it costs to design and produce a model especially from a Chinese factory and also the amount of research neede to get it as correct as it can be. Every change to an EP costs money...research gets the EPs into a good shape. Baz 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted October 8, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 8, 2020 Good choice of wagon. I’ll have some. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted October 8, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2020 7 hours ago, chris p bacon said: I'm starting to get a feeling of Deja vu FFS. 3 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 10 hours ago, KR Models said: Do you have any drawings or photos of the underside? Sorry no drawings & only photos from building the kit 14 brake gear by brian mosby, on Flickr 008 by brian mosby, on Flickr 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 8 hours ago, chris p bacon said: I'm starting to get a feeling of Deja vu If things go to form we will soon find out that the announcement actually refers to the LMS 40t hoppers. Bernard 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted October 8, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) I'm pleased these are getting done - the kits are beyond me - but a quick look through some photos show there are a few details missing - the end operating/locking lever for the doors, and the top internal bracing - a pair either side of the internal divider. Also the inside of the opening doors had 5 6 bracing strips each, which were not often caught on camera. Edited October 8, 2020 by stovepipe 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Good luck to KR with this and thanks to mozzer models for pointing out the errors. If the corrections are made, it should be a super wagon. Nine wagons, all individually numbered? That’s the way to do it! Go on, KR, give us a discount of £1 per pack for buying all three packs! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUCKOO LINE Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 There is a previous discussion on RMWeb on these Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndon Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) I may well be in for a rake of these although I have enough unbuilt kit versions to make a up a full rake. A couple of points. With regards to the underframe there is an operating rod that runs between the two brake cross members that goes above one and under the other as per this photo of one of my wagons: From the drawings, you also have one of the air pipes coming out of the end of the wagon, that's not how they were, there was a pipe ran from under the buffer beam. John Edited October 8, 2020 by johndon 2 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted October 8, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) ArthurK's photo from the thread linked earlier. Edited October 8, 2020 by stovepipe 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndon Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 I do have a number of photos of the real thing on my site here: http://southpelawjunction.co.uk/wp/?page_id=631 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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