brian777999 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Why are there doors on the 2nd, 3rd and 4th levels of this factory kit ? https://www.hattons.co.uk/34885/metcalfe_po282_brick_built_warehouse_card_kit/stockdetail.aspx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) I would guess because there are items to be stored in the warehouse that are too big to be brought up the stairs. There is usually a beam projecting above the centre of these doors, with some kind of crane or hoist to raise items from ground level to each floor. There is a square hole in the wall of the kit just about where I would expect that beam to be. (Edit I found it surprisingly difficult to come up with a picture of the arrangement I described. Here’s the best I can do - the image on the left: https://images.app.goo.gl/7DiVjZa9GV1yx7tx7 ) Edited October 8, 2020 by pH 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium BR60103 Posted October 8, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 8, 2020 I built mine (the low relief version) with a crane from Tichy Trains. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TheQ Posted October 8, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) This photo shows a warehouse which has been converted to flats, the doors replaced by glass and the "balcony " projection that housed the lifting equipment. As PH says there should be a thick wooden beam, a wheel hanging beneath , for a rope or chain on that model Edited October 8, 2020 by TheQ 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian777999 Posted October 8, 2020 Author Share Posted October 8, 2020 Thank you all for that information. Now I will have to find a suitable crane set up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted October 8, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2020 3 hours ago, brian777999 said: Thank you all for that information. Now I will have to find a suitable crane set up I believe Langley sell their castings individually, some of their hooks and pulleys and some wooden beams/I channel steel should provide an adequate impression. Mike. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium JimFin Posted October 8, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 8, 2020 3 hours ago, brian777999 said: Thank you all for that information. Now I will have to find a suitable crane set up Don't over complicate it, its just a beam with a pulley hanging from it and a rope. 3 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted October 8, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2020 I believe the generic term for the gubbins at the top is Lucam, although this includes more complicated boxed in versions also. Mike. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 And a surviving relic in Soham (Cambs) https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.3341593,0.3368354,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNTkrf4LdwUWmIcwcUV4PUw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Harris Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 2 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hibelroad Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 I think the hoist could also be called a jigger, as on this cast iron plate (L&WR warehouse Stockport) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hibelroad Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Sorry, poor photo. Hope this is better 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 It's not just warehouses - you can sometimes see these on tall/narrow houses on the Continent, so that goods and furniture can be hoisted up. They are particularly common in Amsterdam. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) SFAI a "lucam" is the box/enclosure around the hoist, and around a landing, with flap-trap door in it. Some industrial processes traditionally work by gravity, raw materials in at the top, finished product out at the bottom, notably brewing and milling, so its not uncommon to see traditional buildings with a door and hoist beam, or a full lucam, at the top for that reason; these are not warehouses. I suspect that some kits get things a bit wrong, by using warehouse modules (doors all the way up), when a door/lucam at the top only would be more appropriate. Hook Norton brewery seems to have a lucam that keeps the load (grain) dry all the way from cart-back to an upper storey. (Photo Jasper K Commons licensed) Edited October 8, 2020 by Nearholmer 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBRJ Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 The kit is loosely based on a (very small) textile mill. They did have doors at each floor level. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGO Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Such a design can often be found on buildings beside navigable rivers or canals where goods could be taken or delivered straight to the vessel below, probably first seen on mills where the need was to deliver the raw material to the top of the building where it would work its way down under gravity through the mill machinery, later on other buildings used it as a very efficient way of getting goods up and down the floors, when lifts became generally available you will find the buildings typically got rid of doors on each level 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted October 8, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2020 Not only found at mills and warehouse, we had one at Birmingham New Street PSB to get equipment to the relay room and operating floor. https://images.app.goo.gl/3twnxrJ9ibNHZyBk8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyman7 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 12 hours ago, TheQ said: This photo shows a warehouse which has been converted to flats, the doors replaced by glass and the "balcony " projection that housed the lifting equipment. As PH says there should be a thick wooden beam, a wheel hanging beneath , for a rope or chain on that model They should have left the doors in place to get oversize sofas and flat screen TVs to the upper floors 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium figworthy Posted October 8, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 8, 2020 17 hours ago, brian777999 said: Why are there doors on the 2nd, 3rd and 4th levels of this factory kit ? https://www.hattons.co.uk/34885/metcalfe_po282_brick_built_warehouse_card_kit/stockdetail.aspx Looking at the picture in that line, just above the top door is a black square, which would be where a beam of some form would have stuck out. The outboard end of this would have been the point from items were hoisted or lowered. Adrian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted October 8, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2020 Goyt Mill at Marple has an interesting arrangement. The hoist on the left takes goods to and from the Macclesfield Canal to the road level or first floor. The one to the right is from road level to all floors above the ground level. Old crane structure at Goyt Mill wharf by Dr Hilary Rhodes, on Flickr 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted October 8, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) These two buildings have been converted into flats or offices, I believe, but still retain some rather nice hoists. Edited October 8, 2020 by phil_sutters 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Here in Hitchin there's a music shop with a first floor door that open like that and on my my to the dentist about a month ago I have seen the hoist in use for a piano. You'd need more than a hard hat if that gave way - I felt safer walking on the other side of the street! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium BR60103 Posted October 9, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2020 My version of it. Not the best design. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padishar Creel Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 On 08/10/2020 at 06:40, brian777999 said: Thank you all for that information. Now I will have to find a suitable crane set up Metcalfe do a yard crane, you may be able to adapt that es grüßt pc 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 (edited) This one has quite a large crane/hoist, presumably so it can swing out a long way: . . . . and it's quite straightforward to make one. This low-relief N/2mm building is entirely scratch-built and is based on the black and white photo above: Edited October 10, 2020 by grahame 5 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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