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Hi All,

 

Ive just returned from an 8 month stint of work and now find myself in a very different uk with three months leave, so like many others I decided now was the perfect time to jump back in with railway modelling, my previous experiences being of the fairly trainset like roundy roundy layout with an eclectic mix of LNER stock. As the title suggests I am going to be building an 00 layout of Brading during early southern steam days. Im going to set out a few of my goals/ aims in this first post as well as the limited progress to date.

 

I decided on this layout for few reasons, chiefly I like the look of glossy maunsell olive and the Isle of Wight allows me to run fairly well looked after stock and the location of Brading adds operational interest as it allows for 'mainline' working from Ryde to Ventnor aswell as the Bembridge branchline. Additionally, I would like to try my hand at making something of an exhibition style layout and my first choice for this (Wroxall) has already been done by a very nice layout indeed. Finally, the timeframe allows the railway in transition from pregrouping to Southern to be captured; both with some of the Islands existing stock living out the last of its years, but also with the new allocations from the mainland being comprised of refurbished pre grouping stock.

 

My chief goal is to try and recreate this transitional period as faithfully as possible, and I have spent many an hour with my nose in books to draw up a prototypical loco/ rolling stock roster to represent this (this will be covered in later posts as I build/ redetail said stock). I will also try for scenic accuracy, although this will be my weaker side,  for now I am content that I have cut boards to the scale size of the Brading passing loop and that with much playing around with peco flexi track I will be able to largely capture the lengths and curveture of the prototypical station/ sidings (if enough peco turnouts can be sourced in a timely manner).

 

So the progress to date; I have already built the business end of the baseboards out of 9mm ply and some pallet offcuts for bracing, the fiddle yards will follow in due course after the main track has been laid and Im happy with where the entrances to the fiddle yards will be. As can be seen I am partway through painting 3 ex LBSCR coal wagons newly transferred from the mainland and 1 ex IWCR, former Midland 8T van. I am also partway through a smallbrook studios stroudley coach and am messing around with transfers for the 02s and Terriers to providing the lining around the etched brass nameplates which will be applied in due course.

 

I hope someone enjoys following this as much as I will enjoy creating this layout.

 

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13 minutes ago, TeakDB said:

Hi All,

 

Ive just returned from an 8 month stint of work and now find myself in a very different uk with three months leave, so like many others I decided now was the perfect time to jump back in with railway modelling, my previous experiences being of the fairly trainset like roundy roundy layout with an eclectic mix of LNER stock. As the title suggests I am going to be building an 00 layout of Brading during early southern steam days. Im going to set out a few of my goals/ aims in this first post as well as the limited progress to date.

 

I decided on this layout for few reasons, chiefly I like the look of glossy maunsell olive and the Isle of Wight allows me to run fairly well looked after stock and the location of Brading adds operational interest as it allows for 'mainline' working from Ryde to Ventnor aswell as the Bembridge branchline. Additionally, I would like to try my hand at making something of an exhibition style layout and my first choice for this (Wroxall) has already been done by a very nice layout indeed. Finally, the timeframe allows the railway in transition from pregrouping to Southern to be captured; both with some of the Islands existing stock living out the last of its years, but also with the new allocations from the mainland being comprised of refurbished pre grouping stock.

 

My chief goal is to try and recreate this transitional period as faithfully as possible, and I have spent many an hour with my nose in books to draw up a prototypical loco/ rolling stock roster to represent this (this will be covered in later posts as I build/ redetail said stock). I will also try for scenic accuracy, although this will be my weaker side,  for now I am content that I have cut boards to the scale size of the Brading passing loop and that with much playing around with peco flexi track I will be able to largely capture the lengths and curveture of the prototypical station/ sidings (if enough peco turnouts can be sourced in a timely manner).

 

So the progress to date; I have already built the business end of the baseboards out of 9mm ply and some pallet offcuts for bracing, the fiddle yards will follow in due course after the main track has been laid and Im happy with where the entrances to the fiddle yards will be. As can be seen I am partway through painting 3 ex LBSCR coal wagons newly transferred from the mainland and 1 ex IWCR, former Midland 8T van. I am also partway through a smallbrook studios stroudley coach and am messing around with transfers for the 02s and Terriers to providing the lining around the etched brass nameplates which will be applied in due course.

 

I hope someone enjoys following this as much as I will enjoy creating this layout.

 

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Hi....Will certainly follow your progress will great interest....

Regards always,

Bob

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Short update today. I always knew building this all from scratch would be slow and I was not wrong about that. Considering that almost every piece of rolling stock on this layout will be kit built I am switching between kitbuilding and the layout to keep the variety. I have nearly finished 3 10T opens but the tare weight transfers are a massive time consumer due to none of the numbers being appropriate. As can be seen behind those I have an iwcr brake van awaiting brass handrails, a lbscr bolster awaiting brass fixing loops, an iwcr goods van needing a lick more paint and a stroudley third awaiting lining. 

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Hi.

 

A good choice, as the prototype is still fairly intact and nicely restored by a local group. I don't know if you have visited the site, but you can go inside the signal box, frame room and locking room as well as the station buildings where there is a small café and shop. You can also measure up and photograph everything in detail.

 

I was over on the island last weekend, but did not visit Brading this year. I will be interested in following your progress.

 

All the best

Ray

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Update on a few bits today- im now about 20 days into this project and am dangerously close to having a short goods train ready, even if it would look more at home on the merstone branch due to the two pieces of IWCR rolling stock.

 

Ex IWCR, Ex Midland, Brake van and 8 Ton van. The Brake van has been what has occuped the most time due to fitting brass handrails, brass lamp irons and handcut glazing (all to varying degrees of success as the closeup will show)- it is just waiting for some sidelamps to be fitted and it will be finished although I imagine when I have a few Brake vans in future this will have few outings. The 8 Ton van has one issue which is that the tare weight is about a ton out at the moment but i'll change that next time im messing around with transfers. Finally a Hornby terrier slowly starting to transform into W12 Ventnor.

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So next up is finishing Ventnors tranformation with some transfers and etched brass plates. One piece of advice I could use is how I could achieve a slightly rougher look on the chimmney as Ventnor retained its locally cast one during my time period and at 4mm the only difference I think would be seen is the noticably rougher cast.

 

After that its time to start lining, glazing and fitting handrails to the first stroudley coach which is otherwise finished and to actually finish setting up the baseboards to start running trains.

 

 

 

 

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On 15/10/2020 at 19:22, wainwright1 said:

Hi.

 

A good choice, as the prototype is still fairly intact and nicely restored by a local group. I don't know if you have visited the site, but you can go inside the signal box, frame room and locking room as well as the station buildings where there is a small café and shop. You can also measure up and photograph everything in detail.

 

I was over on the island last weekend, but did not visit Brading this year. I will be interested in following your progress.

 

All the best

Ray

 

Thanks Ray, I haven't been recently before starting this project- for now im relying on maps and pictures, however I will look to visit before the finalising of platform positions ect because I agree I am a bit spoilt with having a lot of the infrastructure intact and measurable.

 

On 18/10/2020 at 22:11, LBSC123 said:

Looking good, will follow with interest!

 

Thank you very much- I am watching your layout grow at a much faster rate of knots than mine with a lot of interest aswell- hopefully you'll be able to spot any of the rolling stock mistakes that I miss!

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Well after 25 days I finally have a 90% complete train running, W12 Ventnor with a short goods train for Bembridge. Brake lamps, headcodes and connecting hoses to follow as well as the coal loads waiting to dry.20201028_174048.jpg.5428d9ccd22949c0b5fbcb8067994db1.jpg

 

After my previous post I decided to give Ventnor a more appropriate chimney. I had a spare beyer peacock chimney to hand which after reducing the height, sanding smooth and turning the top looks enough of the part for me to be happy. Below is a comparison with a non mutilated cowes. I am also debating painting the white name plate lining thinner from the inside to a more realistic width.

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Looking good!  I am very envious of the stock you're already building up, it's a job I know I've got to tackle on my layout eventually but am focussing on the scenic side of things first. What books are you using as a reference point for the numbering of your wagons?

What size is the layout by the way? 

 

Keep up the good work!

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3 hours ago, LBSC123 said:

Looking good!  I am very envious of the stock you're already building up, it's a job I know I've got to tackle on my layout eventually but am focussing on the scenic side of things first. What books are you using as a reference point for the numbering of your wagons?

What size is the layout by the way? 

 

Keep up the good work!

 

Thanks for that, I on the other hand wish I was working on the layout more. The display part is roughly 2.8m with two boards but it will need a 1m fiddleyard board either side which I will fit when needed for running. 

 

For the wagon numbering im using photos from a few books; ilustrated history of southern wagons vol 2 being the main aswell as rails in the isle of wight by macleod, the oakwood books on the IWR and IWCR and the two drummond books 'southern rails on the isle of wight. I have a few more but southern wagons gives you the running number series and im using the others for photos and piecing together dates ect. If you message me im happy to share what ive found out about any specific wagon type.

 

Regards,

David

 

 

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On 29/10/2020 at 00:29, TeakDB said:

 

Thanks for that, I on the other hand wish I was working on the layout more. The display part is roughly 2.8m with two boards but it will need a 1m fiddleyard board either side which I will fit when needed for running. 

 

For the wagon numbering im using photos from a few books; ilustrated history of southern wagons vol 2 being the main aswell as rails in the isle of wight by macleod, the oakwood books on the IWR and IWCR and the two drummond books 'southern rails on the isle of wight. I have a few more but southern wagons gives you the running number series and im using the others for photos and piecing together dates ect. If you message me im happy to share what ive found out about any specific wagon type.

 

Regards,

David

 

 


Thanks David, I’ve got a few of those books with more to be acquired in time. I’ll DM you if I’ve got any questions as and when the need arrises.

 

Keep up the good work!

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Plugging along at the moment waiting on some bits for the layout before more progress is made. I have devised a simple close coupling arrangement for the stroudley set (which I tested on the sharpest curve they'll run on) and am slowly lining the all third with fox transfers.20201102_213256.jpg.db729083ff9fd4e3da9de08bfb8f26f6.jpg

 

While this is going on im also muddling my way through my first brass kit with very slow progress- no prizes for what island vehicle it is.20201102_213316.jpg.d052732932c33e9ab47c302db9a3638f.jpg

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1 hour ago, LBSC123 said:

Looking good. The transfers in the Stroudley’s look headache inducing!

 

Keep up the good work. 

 

Thanks for the motivation as always. As for the lining its not too bad however the flush glazing is what im dreading- took long enough on a brake van let alone a set of 4 coaches! 

 

The timeline for this project is definately now more realistically in the years rather than months- the ultimate aim for coaching stock is to have a set of stroudleys, a set or two of lcdr 28ft stock, a mixed set of lswr and lcdr bogie stock and a metropolitan 8 wheeler rake (aswell as passenger brake vans and a loose 4 wheel 3rd here and there). Ive just put an order in with branchlines for the three neccesary lcdr bogie coaches for my set and will, im sure, look forward to straight line beading rather than these horrible brighton curves!

 

Am still watching anxiously for progress on your layout, especially now you are south of the river and I may be able to see it in person and run some of my stock on it one day.

 

Cheers

 

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Although progress is being made im finding it hard to hold up anything suitably finished as im working on a few bits at once.

 

I have joined up the two scenic boards with pattern makers dowels which will now mean I can finally get down to fixing the track in place and wiring the layout up properly. 

 

With that done I started to think more in depth in what operations I wanted from this layout and after a bit of reading around ive ordered some dingham couplings and electro magnets to allow some of these operations. The simplest is the 'running around' of the loco on the bembridge line aswell as the addition/subtraction of a spare coach from the coach siding as this only requires the end coaches of fixed sets to be fitted and three electromagnets installed. The small goods sidings at Brading proper are a bit more tricky in terms of deciding what stock gets dinghams as that will dictate what wagon combinations can be shunted.

 

Finally im torn between seperating this thread into seperate layout and workbench topics as I will certaintly be doing much more of the latter rather than the former- as a teaser here is a part completed IWR open goods wagon which I will describe when its finished.16054747441446131193365532977023.jpg.48bf4591d4f7b01921db355dd9ed75cc.jpg

 

 

 

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Bit of a while since last posting but I have made some progress. First up is the current state of the IWR 4 plank coal wagon, I have finished the strapping and other bits of detailing and am now awaiting some archers rivets to arrive from the states to finish it off.

 

I have decided to model this one in SR revenue traffic and as such have added the door drop iron work and double sided brakes. Its main body is from the ratio LNWR 4 plank which is 3mm out in length but otherwise matches fairly well. The ends are from the Cambrian LBSC 5 plank as most if not all southern ones seem to have been rebuilt with 5 planks on the end. The only thing missing really is the IWR detailing on the axleboxes but im as yet unsure how to model the oval detail on such a small scale. I will not be modelling any with the famous Mcleod 'For CME use only' writing as its right at the end of my time period but I will certaintly be after several more at some point to put into IWR livery. 

 

Which brings me onto the next wagon- an ex Midland IWCR ballast wagon. This one only needed the inside planks scribing and the end doorstops to be added. I have opted to leave it in the grey IWCR livery as seen in the only photo I can find of them clearing a chalk fall as I figure they were unlikely to get an IWCR repaint. However since one made it untill 1930 I will most likely also make another one in SR livery to go in the St Helens permanent way goods train for the latter end of my modelled period. This is my first attempt at weathering and I have, so far, only weather the main body on the shown side. Any tips on how to improve the look would be much appreciated.

 

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Thank you both for the comments.

 

Just playing around with weathering powders ect tonight as was also starting to install point motors on one board.

 

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From Left to right the IWC brake and ballast wagon heavily weathered, a lightly weathered complete imposter LSWR wagon and an unweathered LBSC wagon with a coal load. All the goods stock will be weathered to the level of the LSWR wagon with a few to the level of the brake to fit in with repaint guesstimates. The poor IWC and IWR stock will unfortuantly be horrendously weathered.

 

I think its best if I work from my end date backwards to avoid jumping into the pregrouping IWR too early.

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14 hours ago, TeakDB said:

Thank you both for the comments.

 

Just playing around with weathering powders ect tonight as was also starting to install point motors on one board.

 

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From Left to right the IWC brake and ballast wagon heavily weathered, a lightly weathered complete imposter LSWR wagon and an unweathered LBSC wagon with a coal load. All the goods stock will be weathered to the level of the LSWR wagon with a few to the level of the brake to fit in with repaint guesstimates. The poor IWC and IWR stock will unfortuantly be horrendously weathered.

 

I think its best if I work from my end date backwards to avoid jumping into the pregrouping IWR too early.

 

Perhaps you could make up a simple tabulated list of the wagons that you have produced and what kits etc. were used as a simple check list for other members future possible construction. That would save having to trawl through loads of posts.

 

Many thanks, all the best.

Ray

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Forgot to say that I have tended to shy away from using weathering powders on wagons as I thought that on an exhibition layout these would get rubbed off fairly quickly. I have used dilute acrylic paint on most of mine to pick out the high-lights, then seal it all with a coat of matt varnish which has been adulterated with a few drops of brown paint, varied according to the type of wagon involved.

 

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Mind you, I did use the powder on the rooves of my cattle wagons, which I had painted twice, once lengthways and the second time cross ways which gave them a bit of canvas like texture and allowed the powder to grip.

 

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Spot the deliberate mistake, a cow the other side of the partition !

All the best

Ray

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