Proceedings of the Castle Aching Parish Council, 1905

[Malcolm 0-6-0]

On 15/11/2020 at 10:40, Regularity said:

And yet, we have far fewer swear words than Latin...

 

Strangely I find that rather depressing, obviously we have lost the will to be profane ............. 

[Regularity]

16 hours ago, Edwardian said:

Like schadenfreude

“My uncle used to tease me that I couldn’t spell ‘schadenfreude’, but he’s dead now and I’m still here...”

(Gary Delaney)

[rocor]

On 14/11/2020 at 21:01, Regularity said:

What does that mean? It covers most things from just off centre to short of totalitarian Marxist.

 

It means that you show suitable veneration for a Keir Hardie cloth cap.

 

 

[Nearholmer]

Mildly depressing that few if any of those issues has been completely dealt with yet*, especially if "temperance" is read to  extend from alcohol to other intoxicants.

 

*Or have been dealt with, but then "un-dealt" with.

Edited November 16, 2020 by Nearholmer

[Edwardian]

plus ça change ......

 

Yet, in 1905, it was still possible to image that tomorrow belonged to them ....

 

[Nearholmer]

Hope Springs.

 

Which was a very good compact H0 layout based on a depot at a ‘nowheresville’ town on the Rock Island, built by Peter North c1990, IIRC.

[Edwardian]

Nearby we have a "Far Hope".

 

Further north, updale in Weardale, is Killhope.  Fortunately, its local pronunciation saves it from sounding as despairing as it's spelt. A suitably bleak locale for lead mining (there is now a museum).  I often have bleak thoughts of naming a layout 'Killhope'!

 

Then, there is that famous Yorkshire partnership of Norfolk & Hope.

[drmditch]

2 hours ago, Edwardian said:

plus ça change ......

 

Yet, in 1905, it was still possible to image that tomorrow belonged to them ....

 

 

Oh dear. I wonder whether and how those bright young people survived the next ten years or so.

 

[ianathompson]

1 hour ago, Edwardian said:

Then, there is that famous Yorkshire partnership of Norfolk & Hope.

 

The usual rendition locally is Norfolk and Chance, as in the Building Society.

I do recall, when I played for Norfolk at the croquet County Championship, that we played with "Norfolk do different" as out motto.

 

Norfolk and Chance would have been a better choice.

I think that we came bottom of the Second Division twice and on the other occasion we came 10th out of the 11 teams!

Still we did beat Europe 2-1. 

 

Not many people can say that they have played in a side that beat Europe, not even at croquet.

I think, dredging my memory, that we caught them cold and that they then went on to get promotion.

 

Still, if you want silly mildly contraversial names University intra mural football leagues usually threw up a few.

I was the 6-a-side league organiser at Birmingham University for a couple of years as a Post Grad but Brum used prosaic names such as Geography or Lake Hall rather than the imaginative ones that characterised most Unis.

The Grauniad did an article on these years ago.

Quoting from memory these included:

 

Norfolk & Chance

AC/DC Milan

Apparent Madrid

Far Canals (changed by the league organiser to Distant Waterways)

 

Any others?

 

 

Ian T

Edited November 16, 2020 by ianathompson

[drmditch]

1 hour ago, Edwardian said:

Nearby we have a "Far Hope".

 

Further north, updale in Weardale, is Killhope.  Fortunately, its local pronunciation saves it from sounding as despairing as it's spelt. A suitably bleak locale for lead mining (there is now a museum).  I often have bleak thoughts of naming a layout 'Killhope'!

 

Then, there is that famous Yorkshire partnership of Norfolk & Hope.

 

And what would be the local pronunciation of Killhope?

(I presume 'killop' ?)

I don't live much further north than you!

 

Of course we also, in Northumberland and Durham, (ignoring these strange aberrations of the early 70s) have splendid names like Pity Me and Wallsend.

I like a lot of our local names; those resulting from the wars of the 18th century like Quebec and Toronto,  names emerging as the use of landscape changed, like Esh Winning and Cornsay Colliery; and we have quite a number of 'Sunniside's.

 

[Regularity]

This is what “Hope” looks like:

[Edwardian]

Faith, Hope and Charity ....

 

[monkeysarefun]

The NSW Shire of Bland has twin town status with  the Scottish town of Dull, as well as with  Boring,  Oregon.

[Malcolm 0-6-0]

I've always imagined that Grimethorpe is just down the road from Miserydale ..........  Although I see the Wiki suggested explanation is that it comes from a blending of a Dane who was named Grimey with tor, which says a lot about Danish hygiene in the period. 

 

In Melbourne we used to have a department store called Buckley & Nunn which lent it's name to the slang term for a no hope situation i.e. "you've got two chances, Buckley's and none" which was shortened to "buckley's" in more recent times.

[monkeysarefun]

33 minutes ago, Malcolm 0-6-0 said:

I've always imagined that Grimethorpe is just down the road from Miserydale ..........  Although I see the Wiki suggested explanation is that it comes from a blending of a Dane who was named Grimey with tor, which says a lot about Danish hygiene in the period. 

 

In Melbourne we used to have a department store called Buckley & Nunn which lent it's name to the slang term for a no hope situation i.e. "you've got two chances, Buckley's and none" which was shortened to "buckley's" in more recent times.

I wondered why I  say that. 

[Compound2632]

5 hours ago, Malcolm 0-6-0 said:

I've always imagined that Grimethorpe is just down the road from Miserydale ..........  Although I see the Wiki suggested explanation is that it comes from a blending of a Dane who was named Grimey with tor, which says a lot about Danish hygiene in the period. 

 

I thought it was Anglo-Saxon. Thorpe is cognate with German Dorf, a village; Grim is one of the names of Woden, in his aspect as a shape-shifter. So it's much the same sort of name as Wednesbury.

 

The next colliery along was at Monk Bretton, suggesting continuous habitation by the indigenous British population. (The Monk bit comes from it being held by the local Cluniac priory.)

Edited November 17, 2020 by Compound2632

[Malcolm 0-6-0]

1 hour ago, Compound2632 said:

 

So it's much the same sort of name as Wednesbury.

 

 

Isn't Wednesbury just down the road from Tuesdaybury?

[Nearholmer]

It would be Tewsbury, or Tiwsbury, to honour the deity, I think.

 

There might be Thorsbury, or Thunasbury, and Freysbury, or Friggesbury, or Fridesbury, too, I guess.

 

In fact, maybe some real place names are actually versions of these.

 

(Does Wednesbury have early closing every day?)

[Edwardian]

11 minutes ago, Malcolm 0-6-0 said:

 

Isn't Wednesbury just down the road from Tuesdaybury?

 

I don't know, but it's clearly a very silly place as it's notorious for unreasonableness to the point of irrationality in my world. 

 

See Associated Provincial Picture Houses Ltd v. Wednesbury Corporation (1948) 1 KB 223

[Compound2632]

"So outrageous in its defiance of logic or accepted moral standards that no sensible person who had applied his mind to the question to be decided could have arrived at it."

 

Lord Diplock would no doubt be staggered at the range of government decisions to which that principle could be applied nowadays!

[rocor]

9 hours ago, Malcolm 0-6-0 said:

I've always imagined that Grimethorpe is just down the road from Miserydale ..........  Although I see the Wiki suggested explanation is that it comes from a blending of a Dane who was named Grimey with tor, which says a lot about Danish hygiene in the period. 

 

In Melbourne we used to have a department store called Buckley & Nunn which lent it's name to the slang term for a no hope situation i.e. "you've got two chances, Buckley's and none" which was shortened to "buckley's" in more recent times.

 

Much like the expression, "You have got Bob Hope".

 

Shortened version of:- "You have got two hopes, no hope and Bob Hope, and Bob died back in 2003"

[wagonman]

6 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

 

I thought it was Anglo-Saxon. Thorpe is cognate with German Dorf, a village; Grim is one of the names of Woden, in his aspect as a shape-shifter. So it's much the same sort of name as Wednesbury.

 

The next colliery along was at Monk Bretton, suggesting continuous habitation by the indigenous British population. (The Monk bit comes from it being held by the local Cluniac priory.)

 

The -thorpe and -by endings are usually associated with Viking settlements here in the Danelaw.

 

[Nearholmer]

You can trace the Anglo-Saxon/Viking "front line" very accurately in some places by village names, Northamptonshire being one such area.

 

I imagine a Dane and an Angle meeting at the ford where the river marks the boundary between two villages, eying one another narrowly, one saying "You 'baint be from round here." and the other replying "Well neither are you!", then both turning back, scratching heads, and looking thoughtful.

[Compound2632]

1 hour ago, wagonman said:

The -thorpe and -by endings are usually associated with Viking settlements here in the Danelaw.

 

Thorpe is found in place names of either Norse or Anglo Saxon origin, though in the latter case I think more Anglic than Saxon. By is definitely Norse; as for Grim for Woden/Odin in his "Wanderer" guise, that could be either, as in Grimsby of course. 

Edited November 17, 2020 by Compound2632

[rocor]

54 minutes ago, Nearholmer said:

You can trace the Anglo-Saxon/Viking "front line" very accurately in some places by village names, Northamptonshire being one such area.

 

I imagine a Dane and an Angle meeting at the ford where the river marks the boundary between two villages, eying one another narrowly, one saying "You 'baint be from round here." and the other replying "Well neither are you!", then both turning back, scratching heads, and looking thoughtful.

 

The original occupants of this neighbourhood not saying anything, because they are now live in Wales.