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Which ne'er do wells are they? The Tory ne'er do wells or the Labour ne'er do wells?

I wouldn't trust either to run a bath, let alone run a country.

I'm just old enough to remember the seventies and grew into adulthood in the eighties. I haven't been impressed so far.

Before anyone types the glib reply of "If you don't like it, stand for election yourself", I'll refer you to my earlier post that pointed out that anyone who tries has to run the gauntlet of being tarred as a tree hugging loony or a racist by the ne'er-do-wells of the ruling parties.

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5 hours ago, Edwardian said:

Quote, unquote ....

 

https://youtu.be/FaJpP4Ztp1g

 

Apparently not all too familiar to him; "I don't know what quotation he's alluding to" bumbled Boris, author of a Churchill for (and by) Dummies biography (I know, I actually read it, having a spare five minutes one day).  

 

I note David Davis referred to Leo Amery's famous deployment of the quote, and it took the BBC's Laura Kuenessberg about 24 hours to start refer to it as by Cromwell, suggesting she's had to look it up in the meantime. Journalists, they know nothing!

 

As I recall they were the words with which the Regicide chose to dismiss the Rump Parliament.

 

Be that as it may, I would have expected anyone with a modicum of education (or, even, just a subscription to the History Channel or some such) to be aware of its deployment against Chamberlain,.  I think I can recall someone like Lord Boothby retelling the episode in the World at War documentary series. 

 

Boothby once had to resign a ministerial post for failing to declare an interest when asking a parliamentary question. Plus ça change

 

Err. I am reasonably educated but just thought it was an archaic bit of phrasing. I suppose it depends on what one chooses to be educated in and parliamentary history isn't for me.

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49 minutes ago, Edwardian said:
1 hour ago, MrWolf said:

 

I'm just old enough to remember the seventies

 

My condolences

I quite liked "banger blue", the remnants of traditional freight, and ELO, as well as punk and glam.

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13 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

 

It was supposed to be curtain material - hence "discreet veil"...

 

I had some curtains (from Habitat) that were a similar colour though very different – boldly floral –

pattern. Were the 70s really the decade that taste forgot?

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2 hours ago, MrWolf said:

Chances are nobody will be able to tell the difference whichever the party.

 

This is increasingly the case thanks to Starmer and his pals. We have a choice between the centre right and the far right, both of them now claiming to be thoroughly Eurosceptic thereby disenfranchising at least 16.4 million people...

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20 minutes ago, wagonman said:

This is increasingly the case thanks to Starmer and his pals. We have a choice between the centre right and the far right,

 

Much as neither is really my ideal cup of tea, its a bl@@dy good job we have a choice of anything other than the far right, because once those people get hold of the levers of power, they aren't keen to have their flithy paws wrested off by conventional means like democratic ballots.

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You must have a different mental picture of far right than I have. If we had a far right government, I don't think that you'd be criticizing them on the internet somehow.

Or you might be getting a one way economy class railway ticket.

 

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My point is that we don’t have a far right government now, but there are those snuffling around in the undergrowth at the edge  of their party who would move us a step at a time further towards that place. Look to the USA, and see how meekly power was handed over after the last presidential election if you want to understand how these things work.

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I do understand how such things work and I also understand how opponents like to paint things, regardless of who is in power. 

It would upset an awful lot of people's monetary, political and career agendas in government and business to allow an actual far right government to form any more than it would to create the socialist utopia that others spout.

I don't care for either. I've met plenty of people who suffered under both. 

To compare our government, which is simply c2ap and self serving with a far right dictatorship or even the makings of one, diminishes what so many have endured.

 

That was my point.

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Well, let’s hope you’re correct, because I’ve never seen a moment where a government in this country was as greater risk of being hijacked by the fringe-right as this one is now.
 

The thing to hold firmly in mind is that the ultra-right doesn’t march in carrying a big red, black and white flag these days. 

 

 

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We could of course have a discussion about just how far the Overton Window has been shunted to the right, but recent and current legislation does point to a concerted attempt to subvert our democratic norms, such as they are, as part of a process of state capture. There's a good piece on state capture by Abby Innes in a recent London Review of Books.

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25 minutes ago, wagonman said:

We could of course have a discussion about just how far the Overton Window has been shunted to the right,

 

Which I think has the odd affect of leaving some older people, those who grew-up as slightly left of centre when the window was in a different place, and haven't drifted right with it, now looking/feeling like left-outliers. Old-lefties, when really its the job of the young to be the left-outliers, and the old to be centrist-moderators. Strange times.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Nearholmer said:

Well, let’s hope you’re correct, because I’ve never seen a moment where a government in this country was as greater risk of being hijacked by the fringe-right as this one is now.
 

The thing to hold firmly in mind is that the ultra-right doesn’t march in carrying a big red, black and white flag these days. 

 

 

Although their fanatical belief in not  getting vaccinated is providing a bit of thinning of their ranks, at least in the US. 

 

Here the far right hoists the Eureka stocakade flag as a symbol of individual rights over the government, while the extreme left also use the Eureka Stockade flag  as a symbol of individuals rights over the government which makes any demonstration where the two sides clash appear to be one big happy get together but with punching.

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5 hours ago, alastairq said:

The tory MP who 'defected' to Labour, begs a question on my mind?  Was he [she?] one of the tory newbies who were trampled into power at the last election?

Plus....how happy would his/her electorate be?

Did they vote for the individual as an MP?

Or did they vote for the party that they realised would get us out of the EU's clutches?

If the latter, how happy would they be to wake up & find they have a 'party' they didn't vote for initially?

Indeed, should they even be woken up at all?

 

 

I don't know the answers to the other questions, but in answer to the first one, yes, he won the seat at the last election (previously held by Labour).  Majority 402.  Interestingly, he had previously backed a campaign to require all MPs who change party to have to be re-elected.  It will be interesting to see if he still thinks that is a good idea.

 

Adrian

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16 minutes ago, monkeysarefun said:

one big happy get together but with punching.

 

How does each person know who to punch, is it just a free-for-all?

 

I just had a quick read-up on that flag, which I'd never heard of, and its symbolism seems deeply confusing.

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