monkeysarefun Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nearholmer said: I just had a quick read-up on that flag, which I'd never heard of, and its symbolism seems deeply confusing. Its popular as a tattoo with "Australia love it or leave it" underneath. Usually combined with Ned Kelly to further muddy the symbolism by adding a police killing bank robber who was infamous for attempting to enforce P4 standards onto the Victoria Railway system to the mix.. Edited January 20, 2022 by monkeysarefun 1 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clearwater Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 11 hours ago, Edwardian said: Be that as it may, I would have expected anyone with a modicum of education (or, even, just a subscription to the History Channel or some such) to be aware of its deployment against Chamberlain,. I think I can recall someone like Lord Boothby retelling the episode in the World at War documentary series. I find Horrible Histories suffices to ensure some basic historical knowledge. Clearly Johnson’s current small kids are a few years away from graduating from Peppa to HH. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 21, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21, 2022 10 hours ago, Clearwater said: I find Horrible Histories suffices to ensure some basic historical knowledge. The TV series at least was very good at challenging "traditional" views of history. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagonman Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 13 hours ago, Nearholmer said: Which I think has the odd affect of leaving some older people, those who grew-up as slightly left of centre when the window was in a different place, and haven't drifted right with it, now looking/feeling like left-outliers. Old-lefties, when really its the job of the young to be the left-outliers, and the old to be centrist-moderators. Strange times. People like me... To be fair, the young are quite engaged on the Left – look at their support for Corbyn – but mostly tend to focus on the environment and other single issue campaigns. 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagonman Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 11 hours ago, monkeysarefun said: Its popular as a tattoo with "Australia love it or leave it" underneath. I remember, back in the days when Earl's Court was still recognisably 'Kangaroo Valley', a local entrepreneur did a brisk trade in T-shirts with the slogan "Keep Australia Beautiful. Don't Go Home"... 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted January 21, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21, 2022 52 minutes ago, wagonman said: People like me... To be fair, the young are quite engaged on the Left – look at their support for Corbyn – but mostly tend to focus on the environment and other single issue campaigns. I think the majority of the young have always been engaged with the left of centre. I know I was some 50+years ago until a dose of reality hit my wages slip. It then became clear that you could not do everything all at once without paying people negative salaries. Don't misunderstand. I still see myself left of centre - just not as far left. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Yes, what you describe Andy is what I recognise as ‘the standard model’, idealism of youth giving way to pragmatism of maturity. What I struggle to identify these days is enough idealism in youth, and instead of pragmatism in maturity I observe a carapace of cynicism around a huge number of people, many more than before, with two breeds of cynicism: hopeless cynicism; and, smug-defending-my-pile cynicism, according to luck so far in life. Possibly it’s just the winter weather and a family full of Covid getting to me! 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagonman Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Andy Hayter said: I think the majority of the young have always been engaged with the left of centre. I know I was some 50+years ago until a dose of reality hit my wages slip. It then became clear that you could not do everything all at once without paying people negative salaries. Don't misunderstand. I still see myself left of centre - just not as far left. It was once said of the French that they wear their heart on the left and their wallet on the right. Is that still the case Andy? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted January 21, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 21, 2022 20 hours ago, monkeysarefun said: two sides clash appear to be one big happy get together but with punching. Ah. Sounds like my partner’s family reunions… 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted January 21, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 21, 2022 3 hours ago, wagonman said: It was once said of the French that they wear their heart on the left and their wallet on the right. Is that still the case Andy? De Gaulle (I think) was reportedly heckled at a rally over the fact that his son was a communist, to which he replied, “My son is 21. At 21, I was a communist: it shows he has a good heart. If he is still a communist at 40, it will show that he has no brains!” 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 12 hours ago, Regularity said: De Gaulle (I think) was reportedly heckled at a rally over the fact that his son was a communist, to which he replied, “My son is 21. At 21, I was a communist: it shows he has a good heart. If he is still a communist at 40, it will show that he has no brains!” Georges Clemenceau, IIRC 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Annie Posted February 1, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 1, 2022 Book Corner: I finally got myself a copy of this absolutely fascinating book. Written by a sleep scientist who spent two decades working to find out why it is that we need to spend approximately one third of our lives asleep. With it being our Summer and me doing my usual Summer time falling asleep all the time routine I thought it was high time I knew a bit more about the subject. The author writes in the first chapter that he'd be absolutely delighted if his book puts people to sleep which certainly made me smile. But seriously though this is no dry textbook as I certainly found it interesting and an easy read, 5 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted February 1, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) On 22/01/2022 at 07:15, Edwardian said: Georges Clemenceau, IIRC That doesn't quite ring true for Clemenceau (1841-1929) - his son Michel would have been 21 in 1894 and Clemenceau himself in 1862, which I think is really before communism was sufficiently defined, even in France - in fact at that time he was a republican, rebellious enough in Second Empire France, if good old Wikipedia is close to the truth. I find the quote variously mis-attributed, with republican, liberal, or socialist replacing communist, according to the supposed date of the quote. Try substituting "Great Western enthusiast" and see how it goes... Edited February 1, 2022 by Compound2632 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagonman Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 I've always thought of it as a general expression of the cynicism of middle aged French politicians in the second half of the 20th century. But what do I know? R 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted February 2, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 2, 2022 Judging from the silence here, I can only suppose we're all rendered speechless (or possibly unable to express ourselves with suitable politeness). But I ask, am I alone in being dismayed by the apparently casual attitude to parking on double yellow lines displayed by Mark Jenkinson MP? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastairq Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 31 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: But I ask, am I alone in being dismayed by the apparently casual attitude to parking on double yellow lines displayed by Mark Jenkinson MP? Maybe MPs can offset parking fine on their income tax? What I'd like to know is, do these [constipatory] MPs get issued inane grins/leers from a box in Conservative party HQ? Is that box of inane grin pills the same as get issued to incumbents of Sandhurst? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 I can't help feeling that watching an earthworm wriggle would be more entertaining than the wriggling which was witnessed from the Dispatch Box earlier this week! Jim 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) A man who goes around with his laissez undone all the time is bound to get tripped over by them at some point. Edited February 2, 2022 by Nearholmer 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocor Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 13 minutes ago, Nearholmer said: A man who goes around with his laissez undone all the time is bound to get tripped over by them at some point. laissez-le tranquille, il fait de son mieux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted February 2, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 2, 2022 11 minutes ago, rocor said: laissez-le tranquille, il fait de son mieux. If that's his best, he's not doing anything for my righteous indignation. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocor Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: If that's his best, he's not doing anything for my righteous indignation. The problem with memes and tropes is that it becomes so easy to believe that everyone is universally conversant with them, whereas unlike in the pre-internet past, when most people's cultural references tended to be narrowly focused, they may just be localized to mediums that a particular individual reads/browses/watches/listens to. In other words, it was just a wisecrack that I seemed to have failed with. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Yes, we all know he’s doing his best; the point is that it isn’t bl@@dy good enough. The only time he’s ever any good at anything practical is when somebody else is doing all the hard work, and he can swan about, taking the credit and acting as the jovial public face. 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastairq Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 47 minutes ago, Nearholmer said: The only time he’s ever any good at anything practical is when somebody else is doing all the hard work, and he can swan about, taking the credit and acting as the jovial public face. Typically, ''good management, '' then? I think we are in a position where Boohoo is actually, the 'best' we have got, from within the entire house. Something acknowledged by one or two MPs recently? MPs who realised that, whilst they wanted 'rid', there was in fact nobody handy to take over and do a better job, all told. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 I think a lot of people have been gulled into believing that he is the only answer. If he is, then I shudder to think what the question might be. 3 5 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted February 2, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 2, 2022 2 hours ago, alastairq said: I think we are in a position where Boohoo is actually, the 'best' we have got, from within the entire house. No, I don't believe that for a moment. I wouldn't go quite so far as to suggest that there are 649 better options but really, not that far off! 3 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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