RMweb Gold TravisM Posted October 22, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 22, 2020 (edited) I've been toying with the idea of a generator car to go with my Bachmann blue/grey Mk2f's. At first I thought of modifying a MK1 BG into 6311 which has been used by Riviera Trains but I thought it might easier to create BFK 17105 as that seems to be part of the blue/grey set. I know very little about Mk2's except that from Mk2d's, they had air con fitted and therefore sealed windows, though Mk2c’s had lowered ceilings and ducting for air conditioning but was never fitted. I checked both Bachmann and Hornby's offerings and to be honest, I'm still none the wiser as to which would be a suitable candidate. I'm hope that someone can give me some useful pointers on how to recreate this vehicle. I'm aware that it's been painted blue/grey to match the set but I want to model it as shown in the pictures. Edited October 22, 2020 by jools1959 Spelling 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted October 22, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 22, 2020 Lima with extreme etchings frames 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted October 22, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 22, 2020 20 minutes ago, MJI said: Lima with extreme etchings frames Hi Martin, I’ve checked the Lima listings and can only find Mk2b BFK’s. Do they share similar body shells? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted October 22, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 22, 2020 (edited) After further research and to answer my own question, 17105 is a Mk2b BFK, so the Lima model will make a excellent donor. Edited October 22, 2020 by jools1959 Spelling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Interesting that at some time the passenger end doors have been replaced with ones from an air-conditioned coach: note the grilled vents over the droplights. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Also needs replica B5 bogies. Got LED tail lights fitted. Is it still through gangwayed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted October 23, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 hour ago, cheesysmith said: Also needs replica B5 bogies. Got LED tail lights fitted. Is it still through gangwayed? Thanks for the pointer about the Replica B5 bogies, I was wondering which to use. As my set will be top and tailed, the LED lights are not really a issue and it seems to be still through gangwayed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted October 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 23, 2020 13 hours ago, BernardTPM said: Interesting that at some time the passenger end doors have been replaced with ones from an air-conditioned coach: note the grilled vents over the droplights. Pity Airfix never did a 2D BFK as converting that would be easy. Another way to do it. Hornby or Bachamnn 2 BFK with Airfix 2D end and doors. Or modify a Mark 2 doors to make wrap round. http://www.p4newstreet.com/category/coaches early 2C This is a conversion DO NOT DO ROOF 2B different to 2C http://www.barrowmoremrg.co.uk/Journal/BMRJ_Issue_40_pub.pdf The Barrowmore site is good but the conversion pages have disappeared. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted October 23, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 23, 2020 I’ve sourced a Lima 2b BFK and ordered the extreme etching frames but I can’t seem to find any aftermarket glazing. Also, I seem to remember that someone did grills that you could stick on, does anyone know who made them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 I've a few more photos of this in the same condition if of use https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/conservedpreservedcoach/e6d0558f6 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/conservedpreservedcoach/e63eafcd8 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/conservedpreservedcoach/e639888a0 Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted October 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 24, 2020 19 hours ago, jools1959 said: I’ve sourced a Lima 2b BFK and ordered the extreme etching frames but I can’t seem to find any aftermarket glazing. Also, I seem to remember that someone did grills that you could stick on, does anyone know who made them? I am still waiting for my glazing for my 8 so far reframed Mark 2s. He is knocking up a set for Lima BFK but you will have to file all large windows bigger to fit scale frames. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 Hi Jools, To make body side vent louvres I use a junior hack saw blade to scribe .040" plasticard and then glue them into pierced holes in the body sides either with an overlay of appropriate microstrip or a strip of .010" to form a rim. Make sure that you make the scribed strips larger than needed and cut and file them to size. Over-layed Microstrip frames. Rims formed from .010" strips. Gibbo. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 Hi Jools, I'm doing the same in N, based on a Farish Mk2A BSO. Link here I've since added the wrap round doors by scribing them in. Grills will be represented with decals, as in N at scale distance it won't notice. I think the grills don't align with windows on the BSO, at least from my research they don't appear to. Lots of boxes to chop and add in the underframe, recesses high up on one end, integral tail lights the other and of course the massive roof silencer. Jo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 From compositing photos of the generator and normal version taken from similar angles the outer two grilles do appear to line up with the former windows. The middle one the grilles is where the double luggage doors were, offset to the outermost door edge. This makes some sense as it would require less work on altering the rather complex interlaced bodyside members. 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) That makes sense Bernard, it was a while ago I sized it all up so couldn't remember the intricacies. My initial plan was to glue on etched grills, but I just could not get them looking convincing, ironically the decals look neater! Jo Edited October 25, 2020 by Steadfast Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted October 27, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 27, 2020 Hurst Models did etched overlays for this coach. It was a twin pack of Royal Train Staff coaches 2905/2906. They sometimes come up on ebay or similar. 17105 was 2905. 2906 is now 977969 and regularly used in test trains. (I really must finish my 17105..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted October 27, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 23/10/2020 at 10:09, cheesysmith said: Also needs replica B5 bogies. Got LED tail lights fitted. Is it still through gangwayed? I think its possible for staff to get through it but the former van area is now an engine room . Can't remember what type the engine is but its a 500hp V8 I remember working a charter to Canterbury with it and helping to try and fix a fuel leak on it to no avail Spent the return journey switching aircon in and out on 12 coaches to prevent it overloading the ETH on a 37/4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Rolls Royce rings a bell for the maker of the engine. Apparently because it's so heavy it gives a lovely smooth ride for any staff riding in it Jo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted October 30, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2020 May be some interesting news about glazing, will keep you informed but when you fits frames file those windows out to fit them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted October 31, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 31, 2020 I think the prototype Mark 2 glazing is slighty undersized. Brian has been informed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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