Michael Delamar Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 Does anyone recognise this location? Said to be Liverpool in the 1960s. The headcode on the Jinty is 9T34. I dont recognise it as Liverpool. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted October 25, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 25, 2020 Inglenook? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted October 25, 2020 Author Share Posted October 25, 2020 2 hours ago, The Johnster said: Inglenook? Where is that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 I don't recognise it as anywhere in Liverpool either, Michael. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted October 25, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 25, 2020 5 hours ago, Michael Delamar said: Where is that? Shunting puzzle Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 9T34 is probably a bit of a red herring as a lowly 'jocko' wouldn't normally qualify for a headcode like that ....... though something else at its home shed might have done a few days earlier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted October 26, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) Leicester, remains of the GC with the Leicester - Burton line above? EDIT Looking on Google Maybe not Edited October 26, 2020 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) Not sure on that: Target 34 seems quite feasible. *Referring to Wickham Green too's post; Melmerby posted just I pressed send! Edited October 26, 2020 by LMS2968 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted October 26, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, melmerby said: Leicester, remains of the GC with the Leicester - Burton line above? EDIT Looking on Google Maybe not Definitely not, this is the bridge: https://www.gcrleicester.info/assets/images/657_10_b.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted October 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) What strikes odd about that picture, is the “running line” seems off to the right under the minor bridge, where as the main arches support sidings. is this a dockyard or warehouse siding location thats been truncated ? Whilst its not salford, it reminds of salford, where the mainlines were raised above the siding network below. That might date it later 1960’s.. maybe the headcode was a brake van railtour or something like ? Edited October 26, 2020 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Looks familiar. As a photographic location rather than personal recollections. Widnes or St Helens way? Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted October 26, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 26, 2020 I don't think it's St Helens. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 25/10/2020 at 13:14, The Johnster said: Inglenook? On 25/10/2020 at 15:46, Michael Delamar said: Where is that? Possibly near to Ingleton 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted October 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 26, 2020 4 hours ago, adb968008 said: That might date it later 1960’s. Narrowing the date the loco on the bridge has the lamp iron in the lower position on the smokebox door so from 1963 onwards. By the end of 1963 over half of the Jintys had already gone, the largest number remaining being in northwest England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahorse Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Can I put in a bid for Brindle Heath where the fast lines from Victoria go over the others? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I think the bridge the train is passing over is actually two bridges, as a plate girder of that shape wouldn't have supporting piers (unless it was supported due to becoming weak, but that would probably be girders rather than masonry piers). So it's possible there's another bridge of different construction just behind - perhaps a double-track line later four-tracked? The signals also suggest a four-track main line, and the train is I think something more than just a local. The line below definitely has the air of a former main line now reduced to a few rusty sidings. I can't offer a location, but I'm thinking maybe one of the lines that passed under the WCML in the Wigan-Preston area? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted October 26, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Edwin_m said: I think the bridge the train is passing over is actually two bridges, as a plate girder of that shape wouldn't have supporting piers Another clue. The bridge crosses at an angle of less than 90 degrees, we are looking straight down the nearest siding but we can see the Black 5 (?)s smokebox door. Also the two signals are possibly directly opposite each other. EDIT I also thing we are facing west(ish) due to what shadowing is visible. Edited October 26, 2020 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted October 27, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 27, 2020 (edited) Theres substantial sidings, but only few lines used, even the points for the “main line” are set looking like only 1 line is used. Both locos have OHLE flashes. The bridge parapet looks wide.. possibly 4 tracks on top. Stock behind the black 5 is LMS inc Portholes. To me it feels like the lines to the right curve upto that mainline. The line the Jinty is on feels like a truncated closed line, with barely used sidings to the left. If thats correct, then there must be reason access has been retained to what feels like a closed line... so probably a yard, commercial premise, shed ? of some kind, but maybe once was a line between rivals (LNW to L&Y or MSC or something like that ?) my guess is its around 1966, based on the above, and both 9 and T are synonymous with local trip freight, so probably not too far from Chester, Edge Hill or Sutton Oak. Edited October 27, 2020 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted October 27, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 27, 2020 A thought which comes to mind is could this be in the myriad of lines around Carlisle ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted October 27, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 27, 2020 Third coach in the train looks like a Thompson so the train has ex-LMS & ex-LNER stock in the rake if that helps. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Border Reiver Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Blandford1969 said: A thought which comes to mind is could this be in the myriad of lines around Carlisle ? Not Carlisle, no over bridges like that there.. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted October 27, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 27, 2020 3 hours ago, john new said: Third coach in the train looks like a Thompson so the train has ex-LMS & ex-LNER stock in the rake if that helps. They got everywhere by then. Even saw them in Penzance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 I am wondering if it is a mineral line in the Lancashire colliery fields between Wigan/Bolton and the Chat Moss route. There are several examples where the mineral lines go under main lines (but sadly none I have seen that look like this particular one). I would agree that the main line with the Black 5 is 4 tracked which cuts down the number of locations, unless of course it is a junction!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, woodenhead said: I am wondering if it is a mineral line in the Lancashire colliery fields between Wigan/Bolton and the Chat Moss route. There are several examples where the mineral lines go under main lines (but sadly none I have seen that look like this particular one). I would agree that the main line with the Black 5 is 4 tracked which cuts down the number of locations, unless of course it is a junction!! The most obvious place would be the Lower Ince area of Wigan, with the L&YR Pemberton Loop (Pemberton - Hindley bypassing Wallgate station) on the bridge, or just possibly the same area with the Whelley Line on the bridge. There was a plethora of colliery lines there at ground level, and these were laid, shifted or lifted fairly frequently as the coalfield developed, but I don't recognise the bridge from any photos of the area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, LMS2968 said: The most obvious place would be the Lower Ince area of Wigan, with the L&YR Pemberton Loop (Pemberton - Hindley bypassing Wallgate station) on the bridge, or just possibly the same area with the Whelley Line on the bridge. There was a plethora of colliery lines there at ground level, and these were laid, shifted or lifted fairly frequently as the coalfield developed, but I don't recognise the bridge from any photos of the area. Oddly I've just been scanning Ince, I thought I had a possible match on a foundry but the four tracks were split by an embankment and on two bridges - so not a match. But there are so many little lines around that region/ Edited October 27, 2020 by woodenhead 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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