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On 27/09/2021 at 17:27, keefer said:

Just curious as to when there became a need (and therefore an official spec) for a top headlight?

I was aware the 92s have one but the Crewe Railcam crowd seem to have (or had) a nightly sweep as to whether it'll be lit or not.

And of course, there is still a lot of locos etc that don't even have one.

 

On 27/09/2021 at 18:23, phil-b259 said:

 

With respect to the LSL Midland Pulman - I wonder if the yellow panels are a response to the shunting accident which damaged a power car a few weeks ago. In a depot environment when things are generally being viewed at close quarters and under artificial light, the contrasting colour of the yellow might well be far more effective in preventing mishaps than the 'EU standard' lighting arrangement. which is optimised for viewing from a distance.

 

The reason for the small yellow warning panel to be added is down to a last minute change of heart by the RSSB themselves - the current lighting arrangement fails to meet the standards. To cut it short, the base minimum any stock can operate on the mainline without a yellow warning panel is to have both headlights light + the top 'cyclops' light at all times. If one or other of these fail, then they are restricted to operate at a max speed of 20 mph. So adding this yellow panel is both precautionary - in case of any failure - and to cover for the fact that a HST power car can't as of yet operate both headlights + top light (they still effectively only operate in Day/Night modes).

 

To be honest, The lighting standards for any train without a minimum yellow warning panel (1.5 Sqm) have been out for years, so it's a surprise LSL have gotten away with it thus far. It also remains to be seen how other non yellow fronted HST PCs may operate (e.g the Rail Adventure PCs) - It is likely that a solution is being worked on for their fleet while the remaining 4 are receiving their RA Repaints and modifications at Eastleigh. Of course, LSL and Hoskins could have saved themselves the time and effort by including a small yellow panel from the start... 

 

 

 

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25 minutes ago, surfsup said:

 

Of course, LSL and Hoskins could have saved themselves the time and effort by including a small yellow panel from the start... 

 

 

Problem is the way they have done it looks naff, and is no better stylistically than the ' Custard dip' on the originals did.

 

Unlike the original Blue Pullmans the position of the HST lighting + Horns bar below the windscreen provides the natural end point for the panel as it were.

 

It would look far better if the yellow section was larger akin to the way British rail did it with the Swallow livery or GWR did it with their final green livery.

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39 minutes ago, phil-b259 said:

 

Problem is the way they have done it looks naff, and is no better stylistically than the ' Custard dip' on the originals did.

 

Unlike the original Blue Pullmans the position of the HST lighting + Horns bar below the windscreen provides the natural end point for the panel as it were.

 

It would look far better if the yellow section was larger akin to the way British rail did it with the Swallow livery or GWR did it with their final green livery.


I’ve seen a photoshop attempt on Facebook and the GNER / XC style actually rather suits it. I also think a early GC across the nose would equally suit it as it rather flows with the face of the HST. Anything larger would be rather excessive! 
 

Having said that, the BP livery doesn’t exactly flow across the nose of the HST either - the odd peak above the cab windscreen, the white band across the cab windows. It’s a bit of a mess in that regard. 
 

GRAND CENTRAL - HST

 

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30 minutes ago, surfsup said:


I’ve seen a photoshop attempt on Facebook and the GNER / XC style actually rather suits it. I also think a early GC across the nose would equally suit it as it rather flows with the face of the HST. Anything larger would be rather excessive! 
 

Having said that, the BP livery doesn’t exactly flow across the nose of the HST either - the odd peak above the cab windscreen, the white band across the cab windows. It’s a bit of a mess in that regard. 
 

 

 

 

Indeed which shows the pitfalls of trying to replicate a livery on a loco with a fundamentally different body shape to the original!

 

Although the Blue and White livery is fine for the bulk of the train LSL really shouldn't have tried to copy the cab livery and come up with their own interpretation of it designed around the HSTs front end structure. As you say given the need to interoperate a yellow panel on everything else they have worn to date there is plenty of examples to show how it could be done.

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