PUASHP Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Dear all, I am looking to to build a GWR D16 brake third coach for my EM gauge layout, Hembourne, as depicted in the corner of the attached photo behind the 58xx tank. It is 48’ 6” 6 compartment low roof with Dean 8’ 6” bogies. Unfortunately there is no kit available so I have come up with a few options and would like to canvass feedback of members experience and preferences. My considerations are price, accuracy and how easy it will be to scratch build. My options appear to be as follows: 1. kit bashed from Ratio 4 wheel brake 3rd and all 3rd, with metal bogies and added underframe detail. This may be the easiest option if I can manage the cut and shut process ok. 2. Scratchbuilt from plasticard. I have a copy of the excellent book by David Jenkinson on building coaches by this method, it will be very cost effective if I can get the accuracy right. Again metal bogies and underframe detail. 3. Etched brass sides and brass underframe with metal bogies. Unfortunately no one is listing D16 sides but Worsley Works may be able to produce and I may need to modify an existing underframe kit. Potentially this would be the most accurate option but would be the highest cost. Currently I am leaning towards option 3. So far I have built a T20 4 wheel coach using Ratio parts, a few etched brass kits, but only ever buildings in plasticard. If you can share your thoughts and provide any advice that would be fantastic. Regards Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Harlequin Posted November 4, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 4, 2020 Option 4: Draw up in 3D and 3D print? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 A possiblity 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUASHP Posted November 4, 2020 Author Share Posted November 4, 2020 My concerns with 3d printing are my ability to make the CAD, although I can do 2D, and the definition of the 3D print. From what I have seen you can still see the lines and something as complex as a coach side may be difficult to smooth out. I stand to be corrected mind. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted November 4, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 4, 2020 (edited) 40 minutes ago, PUASHP said: .....From what I have seen you can still see the lines and something as complex as a coach side may be difficult to smooth out. I stand to be corrected mind. It all depends on the material, print orientation, resolution of the print and the amount of filling, priming, sanding, filling, priming, sanding etc you’re prepared to do This is a 3D printed body printed at Shapeways using ‘fine detail plastic’ from a drawing I did in Tinkercad From this... to this... This is also a 3D print in the same material also from a drawing I did on Tinkercad Chris Edited November 4, 2020 by chuffinghell 9 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUASHP Posted November 4, 2020 Author Share Posted November 4, 2020 15 minutes ago, chuffinghell said: It all depends on the material, print orientation, resolution of the print and the amount of filling, priming, sanding, filling, priming, sanding etc you’re prepared to do This is a 3D printed body printed at Shapeways using ‘fine detail plastic’ from a drawing I did in Tinkercad This is also a 3D print in the same material also from a drawing I did on Tinkercad Chris That’s looks really impressive and you would never know how it was made. Technology has come a long way since I started modelling 40 years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brassey Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 I’ve had bespoke carriage sides successfully etched by Worsley Works so I think that’s your best option. No connection etc. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penrhos1920 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 There’s a bit of methodology and advice here about cut’n’shut ratio kits and just in case you haven’t found it here’s the diagram for D16: http://penrhos.me.uk/LowRoofs.shtml#D16. My experience is that it is a lot easier to build 8’ wide rather than 8’6 and something with staggered lookouts is also easier when using ratio kits. D22, D23 or D27 or even a D37 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 There's also still lots of mileage in cutting and shutting the old Tri-ang clerestories, a good number of diagrams can be represented if you're not working to aircraft tolerances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 I have built a couple of GWR carriages for someone else using Worlsey Works etched sides and they're very good. I also built a set of GE carriages for myself which I'm very pleased with. As long as you can source the rest of the components you need to complete it, that would be the way I;d be looking to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike G Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 13 hours ago, jwealleans said: I have built a couple of GWR carriages for someone else using Worlsey Works etched sides and they're very good. I also built a set of GE carriages for myself which I'm very pleased with. As long as you can source the rest of the components you need to complete it, that would be the way I;d be looking to go. That's now going to be a problem...the Comet site has been taken down, so trying to find the bits that went with the sides is going to be hard work. I don't know if Andrew is going to re-publish that information. It was so handy and useful to see which parts were needed to complete the kit. Mike 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brassey Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 I am sure Mallard/Blacksmith did D15 which is a similar break third. I might even have one in the kit mountain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike G Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 It appears Andrew has started to put the instruction sheets up with the sides. All the ones I have were complete. Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted November 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 15, 2020 15 minutes ago, Mike G said: It appears Andrew has started to put the instruction sheets up with the sides. All the ones I have were complete. Mike That’s a relief, I was most frustrated when I went on the other day looking for instructions for my A22 only to find the old site gone and no instructions on the new. I must say I found Comets site a lot easier to find what I wanted on 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUASHP Posted December 16, 2020 Author Share Posted December 16, 2020 On 05/11/2020 at 16:36, Brassey said: I’ve had bespoke carriage sides successfully etched by Worsley Works so I think that’s your best option. No connection etc. Decided to take the plunge using Worsley Works etched sides for a D16 brake third in 4mm scale. Currently looking to source the other parts required for the build. If anyone is interested in a set of D16 etches then please pm me as they may be able to be done as a batch at the end of January. Cheers Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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