RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted November 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 7, 2020 8 hours ago, russ p said: I'm amazed you had to bump this Andy. I'd have expected pages of posts why its completely the wrong model by now ! Well, I would have done but then I found a picture of M50478 on a New Street to Leicester train in 1958, so I may be tempted. On the other hand in the picture it has the lion and wheel emblem rather than the coaching stock roundel as on the model. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
43078shildoncountydurham Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Go on gang did they ever make Darlington? Thanks gang Craig Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thohurst Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Fantastic news! I'm definitely gonna have to get myself one of these! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieK Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, 43078shildoncountydurham said: Go on gang did they ever make Darlington? Thanks gang Craig https://www.railcar.co.uk/images/10711 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, 43078shildoncountydurham said: Go on gang did they ever make Darlington? Thanks gang Craig 1958 also saw the 4-car sets delivered, a batch of 21 and a batch of 5, both to the NER, the first ones going to Darlington. On 23/3/58 an excursion ran from Tyldesley to Scarborough, the train, W590 was comprised of 50483 / 59139 / 50431 & 50482 / 59138 / 50430. On Good Friday '58 another excursion from Tyldesley to Scarborough had 50501 / 59157/ 50449 & 50502 / 59158 / 50450, but the train failed near Rillington. A Newcastle - Scarborough excursion formed of an 8-car 101 was running behind, and it was decided to couple the two trains together and proceed the 16 1/2 miles to Scarborough, with one driver in the first driving compartment to control the brakes and another driver in the cab of the 7th vehicle (the first of the Newcastle set) to control power. This would not work well, and so it was decided to transfer the passengers from the Tyldesley to the Newcastle set and leave the 104 out of the way on the Whitby branch. The 101 arrived at Scarborough about 80 mins late, making the Tyldesley passengers over two hours late. In the meantime diesel fitters were summoned from York and brought to Scarborough by taxi, only to find the cars were at Rillington after all and they had to retrace their steps for the 16 1/2 miles. The 104s finally arrived at Scarborough at 18:50, just in time for it's booked return at 18:55, but this was put back an hour or so to compensate for the passengers late arrival. On Easter Sunday '58 a 104 made it to Scarborough without incident on an excursion from Manchester London Road. Four-car sets based at Darlington were introduced to York-Harrogate services on the 18th Aug. '58 to previous steam timings. Charlie 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
43078shildoncountydurham Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Thanks gang, ordering a set now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted November 8, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2020 5 hours ago, robertcwp said: Some prototype photos from my collection: 104_DMU_undated_m by Robert Carroll, on Flickr Off topic but thats Macclesfield if you don't already know Robert. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Oh dear, Class 104 and the MDOs announced today. Next year is going to be expensive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 3 hours ago, TheSignalEngineer said: Well, I would have done but then I found a picture of M50478 on a New Street to Leicester train in 1958, so I may be tempted. On the other hand in the picture it has the lion and wheel emblem rather than the coaching stock roundel as on the model. Haven't Heljan announced one of the three car models with the unicycling ferret? I'm sure I read two M numbered three cars, one with the pre '56 logo and one with the later beermat crests and whiskers. Personally I would have preferred the beermat 3 car version to have yellow bibs but depending on how far the whiskers go or if they can be easily removed it's not a biggie to put yellow bibs on the end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opelsi Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 7 hours ago, beast66606 said: Off topic but thats Macclesfield if you don't already know Robert. I didn't recognise the 'Mac Lads'! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold D9020 Nimbus Posted November 8, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2020 A most welcome model. It has, though, been produced in RTR form before — Triang TT, long ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, D9020 Nimbus said: A most welcome model. It has, though, been produced in RTR form before — Triang TT, long ago. And a pretty good model it was too. But not much use to a 2mm or 4mm modeller. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 (edited) This is a really good news item from Heljan and I am wanting LMR allocated 2 car and 3 car sets. Ideally M50539 and M56182 for the two car power trailer set as allocated to Walsall's Ryecroft shed until Beeching, then a move to 9A Longsight. Obviously can renumber any power trailer set but these didn't have the white roof domes. Here is an RCTS image incorrectly captioned as a Derby Lightweight unit. https://rcts.zenfolio.com/diesel/br/dmu-1xx/derby-lightweight/hA870E3F5#ha870e3f5 Other very relevant images of the two car units in the West Midlands https://rcts.zenfolio.com/diesel/br/dmu-1xx/104/hA0F80983#ha0f80983 https://rcts.zenfolio.com/diesel/br/dmu-1xx/104/hA0F80983#ha104ca7d Definitely one for later in the programme - a 3 car in blue with SYP. - very nice https://rcts.zenfolio.com/diesel/br/dmu-1xx/104/hA0F80983#ha0f82cb3 Edited November 8, 2020 by Covkid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 9 hours ago, beast66606 said: Off topic but thats Macclesfield if you don't already know Robert. Thanks, I did but had not added it to the caption. I have now. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
walrus Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 8 hours ago, wombatofludham said: Personally I would have preferred the beermat 3 car version to have yellow bibs ..... Me too. Manufacturers often seem to leave the green era SYP variant to second batch releases. I wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to encourage sales of less sought-after earlier livery versions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted November 8, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2020 49 minutes ago, walrus said: Me too. Manufacturers often seem to leave the green era SYP variant to second batch releases. I wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to encourage sales of less sought-after earlier livery versions? I think that I need "speed whiskers". But what would be the earliest use of SYP? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieK Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Covkid said: This is a really good news item from Heljan and I am wanting LMR allocated 2 car and 3 car sets. Ideally M50539 and M56182 for the two car power trailer set as allocated to Walsall's Ryecroft shed until Beeching, then a move to 9A Longsight. Obviously can renumber any power trailer set but these didn't have the white roof domes. Here is an RCTS image incorrectly captioned as a Derby Lightweight unit. https://rcts.zenfolio.com/diesel/br/dmu-1xx/derby-lightweight/hA870E3F5#ha870e3f5 Other very relevant images of the two car units in the West Midlands https://rcts.zenfolio.com/diesel/br/dmu-1xx/104/hA0F80983#ha0f80983 https://rcts.zenfolio.com/diesel/br/dmu-1xx/104/hA0F80983#ha104ca7d Definitely one for later in the programme - a 3 car in blue with SYP. - very nice https://rcts.zenfolio.com/diesel/br/dmu-1xx/104/hA0F80983#ha0f82cb3 The two car power trailer set proposed is one of the five such sets new to ER/NER. These had the additional luggage rack opposite the toilet in the DTCL vehicle, while the LMR sets had seating opposite the toilet. https://www.railcar.co.uk/type/class-104/official-2-car Vehicles 50539 and 56182 were amongst a group of Class 104 sets that transferred to Bletchley Depot around November 1981. My morning train to school was usually formed of two Cravens Class 105 twins, so imagine my surprise when one of the two sets turned up as a 104. High backed seats and wooden panelling seemed luxurious compared to the Cravens interior. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Among my few photos of class 104 sets is one taken an a dull day at Leicester in 1980. The 16.40 departure for Cambridge waits at Leicester. My notes were smudged, but I think the vehicles are 50500, 59156, and 50445. 23/7/80. cheers 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted November 8, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2020 10 hours ago, wombatofludham said: Haven't Heljan announced one of the three car models with the unicycling ferret? I'm sure I read two M numbered three cars, one with the pre '56 logo and one with the later beermat crests and whiskers. Yes they have. Not sure where the one they have chosen for the old livery was based, may have to get the transfers out. I think c1958 Ryecroft had some power + trailer twins but the internal layout was different to the ER ones. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredo Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Hi, thanks for the Class 104 announcement Ben. Looking forward to getting both the 3 car with the centre and a power trailer 2 car version. Out of interest are you considering a GWR single parcels car based on say W34 to compliment that range. Thanks Fred Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Steve Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, TheSignalEngineer said: Yes they have. Not sure where the one they have chosen for the old livery was based, may have to get the transfers out. I think c1958 Ryecroft had some power + trailer twins but the internal layout was different to the ER ones. 1450: BR early green 3-car with Lion and Wheel emblem M50422 + M59134 + M50426 1451: BR green 3-car with speed whiskers and Coaching Stock roundel M50478 + M59186 + M50530 According to Roger Harris the first of the above (1450) was allocated from new to Longsight (5/57) then Crewe North (6/57) and Buxton (9/57) whilst the second (1451) was allocated to Crewe South (3/58) then Toton (4/58) and Derby (12/62). Replacing the early emblem might be possible but a point to note is that according to Railcar.co.uk at least the first four sets with the early emblem were painted in a darker green to later units. If Heljan are to follow the prototype then this would preclude changing the emblems. Other points I picked out from the site are that units with the coaching stock roundel were delivered minus speed whiskers up until at least M50470 + M59178 + M50522. Some units supplied thus did have speed whiskers painted retrospectively in a variety of styles and mismatched when compared with the shade used for the original lining. Another variant is that the coaching stock roundel originally had left and right facing crests but from approx 1960 the right hand variant was done away with so only left hand facing crests. Edited November 8, 2020 by SP Steve Link added 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 4 hours ago, Joseph_Pestell said: I think that I need "speed whiskers". But what would be the earliest use of SYP? 1962 was when yellow panels began appearing widely, but many DMUs retained the speed whiskers for several years thereafter. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 3 hours ago, TheSignalEngineer said: Yes they have. Not sure where the one they have chosen for the old livery was based, may have to get the transfers out. I think c1958 Ryecroft had some power + trailer twins but the internal layout was different to the ER ones. Yes. See Eddie's post two above yours. Am also after the Ryecroft example so provided Ben comes up with the goods, I will have a power+trailer set and renumber / modify. The concern I have is that Heljan have had issues with the cab windscreens and gutters on some models in the past, and I really would like the BRCW not to be in that camp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieranthetrain Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 44 minutes ago, robertcwp said: 1962 was when yellow panels began appearing widely, but many DMUs retained the speed whiskers for several years thereafter. The last class 104 recorded with speed whiskers was march 1963. https://www.brcw.co.uk/liveries Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 21 minutes ago, Kieranthetrain said: The last class 104 recorded with speed whiskers was march 1963. https://www.brcw.co.uk/liveries Surprised it was that early. I have seen photos of other classes with speed whiskers well after that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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