MDO & MDV 21 Ton Mineral Wagons, by Accurascale

[phil gollin]

3 hours ago, woodenhead said:

Or maybe just to do a 16 tonner to this standard - I am sure people will buy them.

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Oh yes !

 

I've already ordered some pre-TOPS MDOs and MDVs, but the various standard 16-ton coal/mineral wagons done to this standard would sell by the bucket load.

 

Please, please, please !

 

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[class37418stag]

Hello everyone 

 

i cant find pictures of MDW PMV MC metal livery from Rails exclusive has one picture but I need more information and pictures from MC Glasgow to ravenscraig 

 

thank you

[hmrspaul]

The inspiration for some of the MDVs

Pack A

B312418    https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmdv/e2497bdb7 

B312059K  https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmdv/e1cc4a522 

B313014

Pack B

B312249   https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmdv/e2ffb3fe0 

B313052   https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmdv/e33100838 

B313179   https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmdv/e3e00bd99 

Pack C

B312005

B312482K  https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmdv/e3c793b39 

B313499

Pack D

B312257   https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmdv/ea5e5ad73 

B312744   https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmdv/e5e99c8e4 

B312850   https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmdv/e290bf5c2 

Pack E

B312337

B312865   https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmdv/e5e99e1e6 

B312969   https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmdv/e22871e65 

Edited November 7, 2020 by hmrspaul

[Mark Saunders]

3 hours ago, class37418stag said:

Hello everyone 

 

i cant find pictures of MDW PMV MC metal livery from Rails exclusive has one picture but I need more information and pictures from MC Glasgow to ravenscraig 

 

thank you

There is a chapter with these in here!

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Private-Wagons-Colour-Modeller-Historian/dp/071103365X

[scots region]

So thats why the wallet did a runner. 

[Covkid]

A really inspired choice Fran and Co. I have half a dozen unbuilt Chivers kits in the stash which haven't yet seen the knife, but they will mix and match together. As a West Midlands modeller the 21 tonner is staple and I will definitely treat myself to some of these. 

 

A little secret wish / fantasy which I have had for a few years is a little South Wales plank based very loosely on Wernos washery / Pantyfynnon area. A blue 08, a blue 37 and an LLG refurb 37 and a dozen MDVs.  Totally out of my normal sphere of modelling, but perhaps it will become a reality in a couple of years, when Fran and the guys produce the definitive 37/5 and 37/7 refurbs - obviously after the 37/6 and 37/0 !!!!.   

 

In the meantime, a really sad image already in RMweb, but a use for an odd MDV - if one were needed.

[Clagsniffer]

Did some of the MDO wagons end up in engineers use as ZHO’s?

 

Cheers.

[Covkid]

1 hour ago, Clagsniffer said:

Did some of the MDO wagons end up in engineers use as ZHO’s?

 

Cheers.

 

Not as far as I know. In fact I can't recall any departmental 21 tonners until the huge Tope / Clam / Rudd programme where some underframes may have been used. 

[Swindon 123]

1 hour ago, Clagsniffer said:

Did some of the MDO wagons end up in engineers use as ZHO’s?

 

Cheers.

I don't know about MDO's, but at least one MDV was used by the Electrification Engineers on the Birminghams Cross City Electrification scheme. Here's ZDV LDB311737 in the yard at Kings Norton, January 1993.

 

 

Paul J.

 

 

[Clagsniffer]

Saw these on Mr Bartlett’s, down the bottom of the page
 

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/mdorebuiltrenumber

[Rivercider]

1 hour ago, Clagsniffer said:

Did some of the MDO wagons end up in engineers use as ZHO’s?

 

Cheers.

I am not aware that any 21t mins were used for spoil in a similar way the MCV/MXVs became ZHVs.

I believe only vacuum braked 16t mins were recoded ZHVs. The principle aim at the time being to withdraw old unfitted engineers stock and replace with vac braked stock, so all the unfitted MCOs were withdrawn.  

I would assume MDOs were similarly withdrawn from traffic,

 

cheers

 

 

 

[Covkid]

20 minutes ago, Rivercider said:

I am not aware that any 21t mins were used for spoil in a similar way the MCV/MXVs became ZHVs.

I believe only vacuum braked 16t mins were recoded ZHVs. The principle aim at the time being to withdraw old unfitted engineers stock and replace with vac braked stock, so all the unfitted MCOs were withdrawn.  

I would assume MDOs were similarly withdrawn from traffic,

 

cheers

 

 

 

Exactly my thouight too. The 16 tonners "weighted" out before "bulking" out when used for spoil carrying, hence the slots being cut in the sides.  I imagine the 21 tonners would more significantly bulk out if used for spoil. 

I can only guess that Electrification department 21 tonners was used for collecting scrap metal from the Cross city electrification project. 

 

A useful vehicle for Accurascale to produce.  

 

Thanks for the link

Edited November 8, 2020 by Covkid

[Clagsniffer]

Thanks for the replies chaps. But for clarity, what is the wagon shown in this picture;

 

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/mdorebuiltrenumber/haadad5f

[Fat Controller]

2 minutes ago, Clagsniffer said:

Thanks for the replies chaps. But for clarity, what is the wagon shown in this picture;

 

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/mdorebuiltrenumber/haadad5f

There was a small batch transferred to Departmental sock at Tees Yard; it was around the time of the ECML electrification, so perhaps something in connection with that?

[hmrspaul]

1 hour ago, Clagsniffer said:

Saw these on Mr Bartlett’s, down the bottom of the page
 

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/mdorebuiltrenumber

But they are complete rebodies, and many had completely different brake rigging as they were on the frames from 21T hoppers. 

See: Larkin, David & Mann, Trevor (1983) British Railways 21 ton Mineral Wagons - the rebuilding programme. Model Railway Constructor vol. 50 (part 596) pp 708 - 711 & 697.

 

Paul

[Rivercider]

7 minutes ago, Clagsniffer said:

Thanks for the replies chaps. But for clarity, what is the wagon shown in this picture;

 

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/mdorebuiltrenumber/haadad5f

I stand corrected there then! I certainly don't remember any on the WR when I worked in Bristol TOPS and later in Westbury TOPS.

The wagons would have been useful for conveying certain things, including scrap,

but as Covkid says they would have been a liability if used for spoil traffic, which is denser than coal.

 

cheers

 

 

[hmrspaul]

2 hours ago, Covkid said:

 

 

In the meantime, a really sad image already in RMweb, but a use for an odd MDV - if one were needed.

 

Sorry but that is an MDO - almost certainly one of the total rebuilds as being discussed, but not relevant to this announcement. 

 

Some of the announced MDOs appear to be based on my photos.

 

Pack C

B201059 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/mdo/e288e7858 

B201110

B201473

Pack D

B201048  https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/mdo/e142a4b4b 

B201332  https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/mdo/e2723a558 

B201385  https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/mdo/e30c050b0 

Pack E

B201284 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/mdo/e3c64309a 

B201322 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/mdo/e2d4a76df 

B201394

 

Of course these go back to being introduced as a "standard wagon" in 1950 and are a steam era wagon which could have worked anywhere, often singly with 16t (and wooden minerals).

 

Paul

[Mophead45143]

39 minutes ago, Clagsniffer said:

Thanks for the replies chaps. But for clarity, what is the wagon shown in this picture;

 

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/mdorebuiltrenumber/haadad5f

 

That is one of the 1970's re-bodied MDO's, not the diagram 1/107 which Accursacale have announced (though they look very similar).

 

The chassis appears to be from an LNER style BR 21t hopper. 

 

Cameron

[turbos]

19 hours ago, w124bob said:

The kit builders curse strikes! I've just built 3 ex Chivers Finelines MDV's, Oh well. There was at least one Scottish pit using MDV's in shortish block trains, as a clip appears on a DVD I have featuring the final years of the class 27's.  Bundle ordered, 15 behind a class 27 or a fitted head for a long rake of mixed minerals behind a scruffy green D6, decisions decisions, just need to build a layout now!

The MDV were used in Fife on Westfield - Thornton - Methil Power Station workings in the mid 1980s usually worked by a Class 20, 26 or 27 off Thornton. I’m gonna need a good few of the Tops MDV.

If you want to renumber, Railtec recently produced decals for the MDV covering all periods and Cambridge Custom Transfers also do a sheet of decals for them as built.

 

Brian.

[Fat Controller]

48 minutes ago, Mophead45143 said:

 

That is one of the 1970's re-bodied MDO's, not the diagram 1/107 which Accursacale have announced (though they look very similar).

 

The chassis appears to be from an LNER style BR 21t hopper. 

 

Cameron

There is a list of rebuilt 21t Minerals on P15 of 'Wagons of the Early British Rail Era' by David Larkin. All these wagons were given new numbers, starting from B315000; the highest number I can identify is B317599.. Chassis were from a number of sources; HTO and  HUOs being the majority.

[Clagsniffer]

Thanks for all the replies, and apologies for the thread drift, but in my defence I thought it was the same wagon hence why I sought some info. 
 

Cheers.

[Growling]

Great announcement Accurascale.

 

A couple of nice images for the Scottish modeller courtesy of John Dedmans collection.

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/johndedman/44920901394/in/photolist-2brvmXU-ngnDnM

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/johndedman/13957462651/in/photolist-2brvmXU-ngnDnM

 

Rich.

 

[Mick Bonwick]

Packs ordered, photographs obtained, airbrush ready, pigments selected, level of aniticipation chosen.

 

Now for the long wait. . . . . . . . .

[rubber duck]

Cant wait to find out what else in in the Accurascale "Powering Britain" pipline.....

[Islesy]

46 minutes ago, rubber duck said:

Cant wait to find out what else in in the Accurascale "Powering Britain" pipline.....

So much more...