rembrow Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Thank you to Fran and all at Accurascale, for dealing with this issue so quickly and coming up with a solution. Please don't beat yourself up for not spotting this, I doubt anyone, including commissioners, would expect a factory to tool a new and unusual coupling. When you look at the coupling, you wouldn't know it was incorrect, as I'd challenge anyone to be able to say which side of centre, the hook pivot is traditionally placed. I certainly didn't notice until I finished making coal loads for my Bachmann/TMC 24.5 tonners and tried to mix them with the MDOs. Even then I thought the Bachmann was in error, as when I received some Bachmann/TMC plate wagons, all of their couplings were wrong sided, which was due to an assembly error. 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ERIC ALLTORQUE Posted October 29, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 29, 2021 Heres some wagons in use if you model an 80,s steel scene, https://southpelawjunction.co.uk/wp/?p=7450&fbclid=IwAR1q-dKDtWWjeYUIiYQyhlwTvYJSMQbyHhy1G-OovlJC3rJpvtzZUMGwB-c 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JhornG201 Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Whilst a bit out of era and modelling interest for me, Rule 1 was enough to persuade me to get a set of the MC Metals MDVs. They were barely through the door before being weathered. What brilliant models these are! 5 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted October 30, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2021 Just a quick query for advice from fellow wagon fiends out there. I have Pack B of the unfitted wagons to suit my late-50s to early-60s era. Looking through various books suggests the lamp iron was only present on the fitted type. That would make sense as only those should ever find themselves at the end of a train, but is it correct? John 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 57 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said: Just a quick query for advice from fellow wagon fiends out there. I have Pack B of the unfitted wagons to suit my late-50s to early-60s era. Looking through various books suggests the lamp iron was only present on the fitted type. That would make sense as only those should ever find themselves at the end of a train, but is it correct? John Never seen a lamp iron on an unfitted wagon; if the train was doing a short trip without a brake van, then a lamp would be hung on the last coupling hook. 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 I removed the lamp irons from my Pack B on receipt ............. but I've only just spotted that these wagons are not marked with tare weights ! - Looking at the website, this appears to apply to Pack A too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted October 30, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2021 29 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said: I removed the lamp irons from my Pack B on receipt ............. but I've only just spotted that these wagons are not marked with tare weights ! - Looking at the website, this appears to apply to Pack A too. Hi Wickham Green, All wagons are marked with tare weights. Like the real thing with white text on a light grey background they are faint, but they are there. Explains why black backing panels were introduced! Cheers! Fran 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Apologies ! - I went back to the wagons after posting that and started adding black panels ( I was already working on some other wagons. ) - and spotted a very feint mark there ! .......................... so I must reiterate my question on another thread - 'Why didn't they letter them in black ?" !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted October 30, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, Wickham Green too said: Apologies ! - I went back to the wagons after posting that and started adding black panels ( I was already working on some other wagons. ) - and spotted a very feint mark there ! .......................... so I must reiterate my question on another thread - 'Why didn't they letter them in black ?" !! Many (probably all) will have acquired black panels at later repaints. There’s a nice ex-works pic of one on p.32 of the Cheona paperback on Opens and Hoppers that shows it, as well as a later variation to the number panel, which extends from the upright to the diagonal stripe on the appropriate side. It looks like a slightly darker shade of grey has been applied, too. I'll be so altering one of mine to add variety. As to why BR didn't specify black markings on grey wagons, that's anybody's guess. However, the black tare weight patches seem to have been applied to 16-tonners built pretty soon after the 21t. Dia. 1/107 wagons, so a problem had clearly been identified. John Edited October 31, 2021 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 The issue was obviously anticipated before the first wagon was given a black number panel ! ( then exacerbated for the Tare details as they're so much smaller ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted October 31, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 31, 2021 12 hours ago, Wickham Green too said: Apologies ! - I went back to the wagons after posting that and started adding black panels ( I was already working on some other wagons. ) - and spotted a very feint mark there ! .......................... so I must reiterate my question on another thread - 'Why didn't they letter them in black ?" !! Because markings were applied using white paint and that was what the drawing and spec said. It would only have been perceived asa problem in the real world if there were enough moans and compaints about white lettering not being sufficiently and generally most people taking off any details would have been fairly close to the wagon so it would only become a problem as wagons got dirty. And of course in many locations wagons were tare weighed anyway. Obviously it did start to become a problem and the fed through to the relevant committee which duly decided to alter the painting spec to use a black patch background. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 36 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said: And of course in many locations wagons were tare weighed anyway. Good point. What range of discrepancy might there be in practice between the actual weight of a battered & rusty old wagon and the original weight when it left the paint shop? Or to look at it another way, was there much point in the tradition (legal requirement?) of painting tare weights on railway wagons and road vehicles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cessna152towser Posted October 31, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 31, 2021 My MC Metals and Jenny Kirk Rails Exclusive MDVs arrived while I was away on Saturday so this morning has been my first opportunity to unbox them, study the details under the magnifying glass, including checking that all the numbers on the solebar works plates match the numbers on the bodysides, then their first test run. All four wagons had the coupling hook on the reverse side as others have already discovered with theirs. I ran them with a Bachmann loco and brake van and took along for the ride a pair of Hornby MDVs with their big Railroad style couplings. No derailments or uncoupling problems on my short fiddle yard to branch terminus layout, including propelling successfully through the Peco Setrack second radius curved point. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted October 31, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 31, 2021 56 minutes ago, Michael Hodgson said: Good point. What range of discrepancy might there be in practice between the actual weight of a battered & rusty old wagon and the original weight when it left the paint shop? Or to look at it another way, was there much point in the tradition (legal requirement?) of painting tare weights on railway wagons and road vehicles That's something I've wondered about in the past although of course neither rail nor road vehicles could be weighed everywhere they loaded or unloaded. Interestingly when the electronic weighing equipemnt was provided on the Berks & Hants Line it definitely found weight discrepancies which suggests either overloading (and plenty of evidence to the contrary with modern loading gear at the quarries) or incorrect tare wights although the biggest problem it revealed was uneven loads and their effect on riding of 4 wheel vehicles. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold markjj Posted November 1, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 1, 2021 I'm sure others may have already asked but can we have this in 0-gauge please. I'm sure there would be a big market for it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILLIAM Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Cannot justify a full coal rake but could these still have been MDVs on a scrap metal working in 1988 or would these wagons have been converted to MDWs by then? (picture credit Gray Callaway from Flickr). 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 1 minute ago, WILLIAM said: Cannot justify a full coal rake but could these still have been MDVs on a scrap metal working in 1988 or would these wagons have been converted to MDWs by then? (picture credit Gray Callaway from Flickr). They were probably 'MDW', but the modification consisted solely of adding an air through-pipe (white tap on the end, not red) and changing the last letter of the code to 'W'. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post Accurascale Fran Posted November 1, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2021 Hi everyone, Just to bring you up to speed regarding couplings. We are sending out an email to direct customers regarding warranty replacement of these for MDO, MDV and Coil A wagons. If you purchased from a retailer (or a commissioned model) you will hear from your retailer with instructions in due course. Cheers! Fran 8 10 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted November 1, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 1, 2021 13 minutes ago, Accurascale Fran said: Hi everyone, Just to bring you up to speed regarding couplings. We are sending out an email to direct customers regarding warranty replacement of these for MDO, MDV and Coil A wagons. If you purchased from a retailer (or a commissioned model) you will hear from your retailer with instructions in due course. Cheers! Fran Many thanks! Email received, order placed 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George C Gray Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Many thanks Fran - good to see manufacturers being proactive with their customers. Was a pleasant surprise to receive the email 4 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phatbob Posted November 1, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 1, 2021 7 hours ago, Accurascale Fran said: Hi everyone, Just to bring you up to speed regarding couplings. We are sending out an email to direct customers regarding warranty replacement of these for MDO, MDV and Coil A wagons. If you purchased from a retailer (or a commissioned model) you will hear from your retailer with instructions in due course. Cheers! Fran I was delighted to get the e-mail this morning. It demonstrates real customer care. I sharn't be taking up the kind offer, as I use Kadees and not tension-locks, but I just wanted to say in public how much I appreciate it. 7 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Phatbob said: I was delighted to get the e-mail this morning. It demonstrates real customer care. I sharn't be taking up the kind offer, as I use Kadees and not tension-locks, but I just wanted to say in public how much I appreciate it. Ditto Phatbob. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 An' a ditto from me too - though with a vote for three-links ! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cornelius Posted November 3, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 3, 2021 Just to say that the Planet Industrials variant in Grimethorpe Colliery-inspired orange and grey livery is now in stock and all pre-orders have been dispatched. These are going to really suit heavy weathering and James is working on a tutorial video at the moment. https://www.lightrailwaystores.co.uk/products/pir-001 They also look pretty good in longer rakes 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil31 Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 3 hours ago, cornelius said: Just to say that the Planet Industrials variant in Grimethorpe Colliery-inspired orange and grey livery is now in stock and all pre-orders have been dispatched. These are going to really suit heavy weathering and James is working on a tutorial video at the moment. https://www.lightrailwaystores.co.uk/products/pir-001 They also look pretty good in longer rakes Forgot I had these ordered they look great had email today to say they are despatched. Baz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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