Locomotion Models announce 'Hardwicke' Improved Precedent Class

[phil-b259]

4 minutes ago, Matabiau said:

Has anyone else from overseas had troubling placing a deposit for this loco with the NRM? When I get to the sagepay section for entering my credit card number it gets upset and tells my the number doesn't match the card type! 

 

Have you typed it in exactly (including spaces) as on the card?

 

Thats what I did in the past hour and no problem

Edited November 12, 2020 by phil-b259

[Zunnan]

We're not allowed to post expletives...

 

I must remember not to swear...

 

Please don't swear...

 

 

Bucket list model, simple as...now if only there were also a George 5th....

[Compound2632]

Excellent if hardly surprising news!

[Matabiau]

22 minutes ago, phil-b259 said:

 

Have you typed it in exactly (including spaces) as on the card?

 

Thats what I did in the past hour and no problem

Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately it hasn't helped. I must admit it's not the first time I've had trouble paying with locomotion models but it has been fine recently.

Unfortunately the system makes you pay for delivery at the same time as the deposit whcih probably doesn't help!

[Butler Henderson]

If its like previous NRM editions a second batch could be quite likely,  hopefully without a white roof so it replicates its active preserved days. As presented it is yet another models which is only accurate to the actual loco being non-working.

Edited November 12, 2020 by Butler Henderson

[Matabiau]

2 minutes ago, Butler Henderson said:

If its like previous NRM editions a second batch could be quite likely,  hoepfully without a white roof so it replicates its active preserved days. As presented it is yet another models which is only accurate to the actual loco being non-working.

One of the Rails models to be released at the same time will be LNWR lined black and appears to have a black roof in the photographs on their website.

[PaulRhB]

7 minutes ago, Butler Henderson said:

If its like previous NRM editions a second batch could be quite likely,  hoepfully without a white roof so it replicates its active preserved days. As presented it is yet another models which is only accurate to the actual loco being non-working.

It’s a NRM special edition in Royal Train condition as in the museum, that’s the point of the National Collection in Miniature, no doubt it would have run for a while with the white roof afterwards in LNWR ownership. 

 

Or you could just paint the roof . . 

[Steamport Southport]

As The Rolling Stones said Paint It Black!

 

I probably will.

 

I know some will want them mint, but mine is thankfully something that is of use.

 

 

Another song. You Spin Me Round (Like A Spinner Baby) 

 

 

Jason

[Michael Hodgson]

Got to have one ... but which one?  I like all the liveries - it's a toss-up between the LNW lined black and the LMS Crimson, probably the latter ... but I like the idea of double-heading with Hardwicke AND Lucknow!

[jburgt]

24 minutes ago, Butler Henderson said:

If its like previous NRM editions a second batch could be quite likely,  hoepfully without a white roof so it replicates its active preserved days. As presented it is yet another models which is only accurate to the actual loco being non-working.

Simply spray a little bit black paint on it?

[RateTheFreight]

Out of interest does anyone know the reasoning behind the Individual naming of the class? A quick glance at the list seems to show there was no consistency in theme, some being named after historical figures, others after places in the Empire and some mythical beasts thrown in too! 
 

Looks a lovely model though! 
 

G 

[Compound2632]

7 minutes ago, RateTheFreight said:

Out of interest does anyone know the reasoning behind the Individual naming of the class? A quick glance at the list seems to show there was no consistency in theme, some being named after historical figures, others after places in the Empire and some mythical beasts thrown in too! 
 

Looks a lovely model though! 
 

G 

 

There was no consistency. That's the delight of LNWR locomotive naming. (There were some "themes" later on but they still turned up some splendid names.) I've commented in the Rails thread on the rather Imperialist and un-Woke names chosen, when one could have had Madge or Belted Will!

Edited November 12, 2020 by Compound2632
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[wombatofludham]

Perhaps the Dr Who fan club could sponsor a run of no.1570 "Ganymede", or the non-railway museum wing of the Science Museum no. 1679 "Bunsen", although I suspect that could be a slow burner sales wise.

[ColinK]

Just watched the video - amazed to see samples running.  It looks so good and I can even run it as a preserved loco on my blue diesel layout.  Time to order one.

[Butler Henderson]

1 hour ago, Matabiau said:

One of the Rails models to be released at the same time will be LNWR lined black and appears to have a black roof in the photographs on their website.

There are  a number of differences between them apart from the roof with different buffers, tender and  boiler details and coupling rod styles 

[Michael Hodgson]

1 hour ago, jburgt said:

Simply spray a little bit black paint on it?

 

Are you talking about the model or the one in the NRM?

[Graham456]

Botheration !&@/'#%$¥

 for sale one unfinished GEM KIT ,unfinished due to it Haveing the old white metal chassis which I don't like

And no way could I compete with that Finnish !

moderators this is NOT a for sale notice it's  a thank god I don't have to go there now statement

makes a change for a rtr to come out before I have built the kit rather than after!

 

Edited November 12, 2020 by Graham456
Makeing sure you understand it not a for sale add

[PenrithBeacon]

Can anyone please explain why Hardwick has a white roof? What is  it's historical provenance?

Edited November 12, 2020 by PenrithBeacon

[PaulRhB]

16 minutes ago, PenrithBeacon said:

Can anyone please explain why Hardwick has a white roof? What is  it's historical provenance?

Because it’s been displayed with the Royal train and painting coal or cab roofs white was a common tradition. 

[PenrithBeacon]

Thanks for that, I'd forgotten! Is there any evidence that Hardwick was actually painted like that by the LNWR?

[Jol Wilkinson]

20 hours ago, Steamport Southport said:

As it was an express passenger locomotive it would most have mostly hauled bogies of LNWR, LMS and even BR blue/grey Mark Ones when running in the late 1970s/early 1980s. The Ratio kits are perfect for it.

 

I had a cab ride on the real one at Dinting in about 1980 so I'll probably buy Hardwicke as a minimum.

 

Carriages. Apart from Ratio try Wizard as he has the old Chowbent range. Some are OOS stock at the moment, but I think that's down to supplier problems.

 

 

Jason

 

 

 

There is a wide range of LNWR carriage 4mm kits available, London Road Models, Wizard (the former Chowbent range), Stevenson Carriages, Worsley Works and Ratio. Although no longer produced, or absorbed into existing ranges, 247, PC/Wheeltappers, David Geen, Microrail, were some of the more prominent. However, the LNWR livery is one one of the complex pre-group variety and off putting to many people. This is where Hattons will score with their generic range of pre-group six wheelers, with a LNWR livery option.

 

Pre-group railways, especially the LNWR have been very well supported by kit manufacturers for decades. Gem, K's, George Norton, LRM, M&L, Brassmasters, etc. for locos. Infrastructure items, buildings, etc. are all readily available. For for those who enjoy kit building or who wanted something beyond the readily available RTR, there is/was no shortage of kits.

 

I was aware that the NRM was interested in doing a LNWR Precedent some years ago but this was somewhat confirmed at the 2018 York MRS when I was asked if we had a Precedent running on London Road which was on display at the show.  The enquirer and his compatriot were both wearing NRM "corporate" badged coats We didn't have a Precedent  but had the smaller wheeled Whitworth so we then arranged to reorganise /disrupt the operating timetable to show them. You can imagine my annoyance, when having done so and stopping the train at a suitable position on the layout next to them, they then walked off without a word of thanks.

 

It is interesting to read so many post where RMweb members have expressed an intention to buy one of these lovely looking models, while seemingly having no specific interest in the LNWR or even the pre-grouping period. I therefore remain unconvinced that the introduction of such models will do much at all to expand the number of pre-group layouts. The Bachmann Coal Tank certainly had very little impact in that respect. 

 

Jol

 

Edited November 13, 2020 by Jol Wilkinson
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[Matabiau]

14 hours ago, Butler Henderson said:

There are  a number of differences between them apart from the roof with different buffers, tender and  boiler details and coupling rod styles 

Thank you for pointing out the differences. Given the problems I am having with the Locomotion website I may go for the Rails LNWR version, in the knowledge that it is in the pre-grouping condition as opposed the the preserved one.

[Compound2632]

47 minutes ago, Jol Wilkinson said:

It is interesting to read so many post where RMweb members have expressed an intention to buy one of these lovely looking models, while seemingly having no specific interest in the LNWR or even the pre-grouping period. I therefore remain unconvinced that the introduction of such models will do much at all to expand the number of pre-group layouts. The Bachmann Coal Tank certainly had very little impact in that respect. 

 

One can't build a convincing pre-grouping layout around a RTR model of a single class of locomotives, or even two, particularly if that class is a passenger type. One can go for the W.S. Norris approach of representative trains. I'm a bit that way myself.

Edited November 13, 2020 by Compound2632

[PaulRhB]

1 hour ago, Jol Wilkinson said:

interesting to read so many post where RMweb members have expressed an intention to buy one of these lovely looking models, while seemingly having no specific interest in the LNWR or even the pre-grouping period. I therefore remain unconvinced that the introduction of such models will do much at all to expand the number of pre-group layouts.

Well I’ve long had an interest since seeing Millport Victoria in RM, Hardwicke at Rainhill and thoroughly enjoyed London Rd and Hope under Dinmore but do I have space for another layout on top of the current ones? Sadly not at the moment although with two Coal Tanks already and now these two on order I’m seriously tempted to convert my SR layout with another set of LNWR buildings for home use. I’ve also ordered some Hattons coaches but baulk at using them on a show layout purely because I’d rather they are more accurate if exhibiting while they are fine for indulging a whim at home  

With these as well I’m seriously considering another go at coach painting, not my favourite part of the hobby as I’m more into layout building than stock building, to have some bogie stock too. So it might lead to a more accurate project one day  

I’m not sure we want a rush of layouts with pre grouping stock based on a rtr release or we will just have more mpd type moans  

Edited November 13, 2020 by PaulRhB

[sirwilliamfrs]

If the 'Precedent' takes off, prepare yourselves for a 'Claughton' !