Ray Von Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 I'll be modelling a scrap merchant yard in the large gap in the foreground of this picture: I'm just wondering how far I can (relatively prototypically) extend the yard into the railway's "territory" - I've stopped ballasting at the point that I assume to be acceptable.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 How about this one near Bradford:- https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Crossley+Evans+Ltd/@53.8302672,-1.7757589,98m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x487be472c0d26bcb:0x8630574a0b2704a6!8m2!3d53.8308545!4d-1.7755846?hl=en-GB 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Von Posted November 13, 2020 Author Share Posted November 13, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Fat Controller said: How about this one near Bradford:- https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Crossley+Evans+Ltd/@53.8302672,-1.7757589,98m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x487be472c0d26bcb:0x8630574a0b2704a6!8m2!3d53.8308545!4d-1.7755846?hl=en-GB That's great, very similar to what I'm going for! My merchant will have a siding serving it and, as you can see in the pic, I could encroach quite close to the platform ramps and the point work of the double slip - it's not a big deal, but I'd like to model it as reasonably believable.... Edited November 13, 2020 by Ray Von Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Von Posted November 14, 2020 Author Share Posted November 14, 2020 9 hours ago, Graham1960 said: I would have thought that the earlier date your model is set the more likely the scrap merchant will need the railway being close to the yard. To bring in and out materials. Whereas the later yards like the above will simply use the old railway land for being cheap, perhaps due to contamination of the land or it not being commercial to put anything else on the land. With lorries doing the donkey work rather than trains. Cheers Graham, I will be playing a bit fast and loose with regards to realism - the era is late 1970's / early 1980's, so it's a "what if" kind of thing... The yard will be served by the siding immediately to the right of the intended space, there'll be a converted engine shed serving as a workshop situated alongside it. I'm pretty sure I can have the boundary of the scrap yard pretty close to the trackwork, my main concern is how close to the station and platform end should I go? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meil Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 take a look at B21 0RW on Google Maps. The railway through the centre is the Midland Metro but you can see the railway beneath. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWCR Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 A commercial scrap yard would not be within the operational part of the railway and would likely have a private siding or use an adjoining BR siding away from the running lines, (especially so with third rail). However: Wagons etc could be scrapped on site on BR sidings by a scrap dealer with the scrap being removed by road, in earlier times just get on with it, more recently a safe working area would be needed with temporary fencing if needed. Pete 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Von Posted November 14, 2020 Author Share Posted November 14, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, IWCR said: A commercial scrap yard would not be within the operational part of the railway and would likely have a private siding or use an adjoining BR siding away from the running lines, (especially so with third rail). However: Wagons etc could be scrapped on site on BR sidings by a scrap dealer with the scrap being removed by road, in earlier times just get on with it, more recently a safe working area would be needed with temporary fencing if needed. Pete The siding in question, fourth from the right, is as away from the operational part of the railway as I can get in the space available. I imagine that the breaker's yard will have a road "off layout" to take away scrap metal. Edited November 14, 2020 by Ray Von Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 I remember the large yard, not far east of Bristol TM, in the early 80s. Whilst I'm sure there was actually a decent amount of separation, it always felt as if the foot of the scrap pile ran into the cess of the main line. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Von Posted November 15, 2020 Author Share Posted November 15, 2020 This is quite inspiring, seemingly unfenced too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Ray Von said: This is quite inspiring, seemingly unfenced too. Ray, that's the Crossley-Evans scrap-yard north of Bradford, that I linked to. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toplink@()1989))(( Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 This company was right along side the Midland main line at Chesterfield in Derbyshire, I remember going there as a schoolboy, late 60's when they were dismantling London underground stock with explosives, I nearly cra$$ed myself when they set them off!! Cheers, Pete. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Von Posted November 15, 2020 Author Share Posted November 15, 2020 59 minutes ago, Fat Controller said: Ray, that's the Crossley-Evans scrap-yard north of Bradford, that I linked to. I should've recognised the name! Cheers. Very interesting pics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Don't know if it's too late for you to alter but how about Sims metals at Beeston Nottingham as an example? They have a single siding into their yard straight off the up slow line. The normal method of operation is to split a train the loco pushing half a rake of wagons into the yard for loading leaving the other half on the up slow, then swapping them over at some point. There is quite a high fence and the stacks of shredded scrap tower over the railway at times. I'm not at work until Wednesday now but if you're interested I'll try to remember to get a couple of photos as I pass. Alternatively a Google search may turn up more information 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor quinn Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Sims used to have a Sentinel that they kept on a (very model-like) kick back from the main siding 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Von Posted November 16, 2020 Author Share Posted November 16, 2020 4 hours ago, great central said: Don't know if it's too late for you to alter but how about Sims metals at Beeston Nottingham as an example? They have a single siding into their yard straight off the up slow line. The normal method of operation is to split a train the loco pushing half a rake of wagons into the yard for loading leaving the other half on the up slow, then swapping them over at some point. There is quite a high fence and the stacks of shredded scrap tower over the railway at times. I'm not at work until Wednesday now but if you're interested I'll try to remember to get a couple of photos as I pass. Alternatively a Google search may turn up more information Thanks for that, some pics would be great! Just had a quick Google search, the images are a bit corporate but it looks a big old place!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 hour ago, doctor quinn said: Sims used to have a Sentinel that they kept on a (very model-like) kick back from the main siding It might still be there, trees were growing around it last time I actually saw it! Possibly the last time it was used was for shunting class 37s into the kickback for breaking up. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 22 minutes ago, Ray Von said: Thanks for that, some pics would be great! Just had a quick Google search, the images are a bit corporate but it looks a big old place!! It's not that big a site actually although one of the major, if not the major, site in the area for 'final' disposal of large quantities of scrap, as distinct from the much smaller local 'we buy your scrap' type of place. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 On 14/11/2020 at 12:14, Graham1960 said: By that sort of date you could get very close, but there would be a decent fence for security purposes. Mostly for the scrap people purposes. Since by then there was a decent trade in stolen metals. British Rail would be more concerned with people getting on the trains without paying, due to open access. Though some smaller stations by then were unstaffed. Using Pay Train DMU services, which as the name suggest were like bus services with the guard as a conductor. I would imagine the "fence" to be the type with white concrete blocks long ways slotted into concrete posts. With coiled barb wire on the top. I think Scale Model Scenery might do the fence, don't know about the barb wire though. The fence helped limit the number of children eaten by the " yard monster"! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Most mid/ late 19th century industry was railside located. 100 years on and the original industry was gone leaving suitable land for scrap yards etc. I spent hours salvaging classic car parts from a Castleford breaker located in a former lineside brick works. The rail connection had long gone even when the brick works were still producing, but this is your model so rule one applies. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor quinn Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 4 hours ago, great central said: It might still be there, trees were growing around it last time I actually saw it! Possibly the last time it was used was for shunting class 37s into the kickback for breaking up. Last I saw it was in an attractive livery of dark blue and mould Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Photos taken this morning, Sims metals at Beeston, Nottingham. Didn't come out too bad for a phone with the train doing around 60mph. There's one more but it exceeds the data limit. I don't think the shunter is there anymore either. Had a look on the way back. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Von Posted November 18, 2020 Author Share Posted November 18, 2020 45 minutes ago, great central said: Photos taken this morning, Sims metals at Beeston, Nottingham. Didn't come out too bad for a phone with the train doing around 60mph. There's one more but it exceeds the data limit. I don't think the shunter is there anymore either. Had a look on the way back. Brilliant, many thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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