MrWolf Posted November 13, 2021 Author Share Posted November 13, 2021 26 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: As far as I'm concerned, it inspires the thought: why didn't we put the point rodding in before ballasting, on the club layout? That sounds like a lot of work in store for someone. Could I recommend the careful use of a 3mm wood chisel? You can at least then dig out for the stools. 26 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: Geen kit. Dodgy POWSides dry transfers - I should revisit. Wow, they're impressive, dodgy transfers or not. I never knew that L&Y vans were any colour other than slate grey. The wind deflectors are interesting. Do they, and the canvas cover go right across the roof? Or only as far as the centre of the roof? 26 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: You will observe that the pistol mis-fired. Indeed, although it was never aimed in your direction. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted November 13, 2021 Author Share Posted November 13, 2021 32 minutes ago, Regularity said: Given that I have moved to the area, and indeed overlook one of the major routes (the “Copy Pit” line is literally across the road the from me), I find those wagons very distracting, almost to the point of changing allegiance! It is a problem, being in LNWR / Furness / MR territory myself, but thanks to the LNW/GWJ, I can justify quite a bit for this layout. I might have stretched it a bit with the dates to include a couple of M&SWJR castoffs that were actually scrapped around 1930, but I'm already in Rule#1 territory building a version of a line that was proposed but never built anyway. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR Chuffer Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 30 minutes ago, MrWolf said: only as far as the centre of the roof Centre of the roof, irrespective of the wagon wheelbase, 9', 10'6" and 12' 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR Chuffer Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 36 minutes ago, MrWolf said: L&Y vans were any colour other than slate grey They were unpainted, i.e. bare timber, sometime prior to 1900 but I can't find the exact date at the mo. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted November 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 13, 2021 34 minutes ago, MrWolf said: You can at least then dig out for the stools. I do enough of that with the cat's litter tray. 35 minutes ago, MrWolf said: I never knew that L&Y vans were any colour other than slate grey. The grey with large LY letters came in in 1903. Before that, the L&Y's thrifty goods wagon "livery" was, as @MR Chuffer says, unpainted wood with black ironwork - probably components were japanned or some such prior to assembly. In general, the wood was unvarnished as well as unpainted but covered goods wagons, being for a higher class of cargo, were varnished, at least in some cases. I've tried to catch the difference in these two wagons. 40 minutes ago, MrWolf said: The wind deflectors are interesting. I hadn't really thought of them in quite that way but they do serve that function, overlapping the edge of the canvas cover - I'd thought of them as guides, but they would stop wind and rain getting under the cover. The cover had wooden battens sewn into it, to prevent it sagging, so it should follow the roof-line. Good top views here: [embedded link] 11 minutes ago, MR Chuffer said: Centre of the roof, irrespective of the wagon wheelbase, 9', 10'6" and 12' In the 20th century, the L&Y worked out how to have roof doors on both sides of the van. The end pillars were arranged as an inverted V, supporting a longitudinal roof centre beam. 2 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR Chuffer Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: The grey with large LY letters came in in 1903 Just dug out your own initial reference ... Edited November 13, 2021 by MR Chuffer 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR Chuffer Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 17 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: L&Y worked out how to have roof doors on both sides of the van Of course they did! I have some modelled myself, @Compound2632thx for correcting this. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted November 13, 2021 Author Share Posted November 13, 2021 Thanks for the information @Mike 84C, @Compound2632, and @MR Chuffer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted November 13, 2021 Author Share Posted November 13, 2021 Internet went all FUBAR at an inconvenient moment there. (Coincidentally, just as the telephone poles were getting demolished on Where Eagles Dare, ITV4...) Spooky. I was going to say that given all of that information, it would be wrong not to make use of it and make a "proper"job of this Frankenstein's monster. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JustinDean Posted November 13, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Compound2632 said: As far as I'm concerned, it inspires the thought: why didn't we put the point rodding in before ballasting, on the club layout? Geen kit. Dodgy POWSides dry transfers - I should revisit. You will observe that the pistol mis-fired. Can I ask what wheels you’re using on these? One thing bugging me about a number of the kits I’ve recently built are how bulky wheels tend to be. Thanks Jay Edited November 13, 2021 by JustinDean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted November 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, JustinDean said: Can I ask what wheels you’re using on these? These are Alan Gibson, 00. The EM ones are the same (I think) just set to the wider back-to-back, while the P4 ones have the same centres but finer tyres. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted November 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Compound2632 said: why didn't we put the point rodding in before ballasting, on the club layout? Because ballasting round the rodding is a right PITA. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted November 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 13, 2021 Just now, St Enodoc said: Because ballasting round the rodding is a right PITA. Hum. We may be carrying on with magic points for a while longer! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JustinDean Posted November 13, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Compound2632 said: These are Alan Gibson, 00. The EM ones are the same (I think) just set to the wider back-to-back, while the P4 ones have the same centres but finer tyres. Thanks for that. I’ll be popping some of these on my next AG order. Jay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted November 13, 2021 Author Share Posted November 13, 2021 I'd noticed that some of my kits came with Gibson wheels, older ones with MAYGIB, those supplied with the latest Ratio kits seem quite fine compared to RTR. As an economic compromise, due to there still being 106 assorted kits in the box of doom as of last night, I have been using Bachmann wheels where none are supplied. They work, aren't too wide and it's not as though I have finescale track. They're not the cheapest, you can get twice as many Dapol wheels for half the price, but having bought a few at an exhibition, I don't rate them at all. Too wide and not always concentric, both of those issues are the reason I wouldn't use secondhand Lima or Tri-ang wheels either! 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JustinDean Posted November 13, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, MrWolf said: I'd noticed that some of my kits came with Gibson wheels, older ones with MAYGIB, those supplied with the latest Ratio kits seem quite fine compared to RTR. As an economic compromise, due to there still being 106 assorted kits in the box of doom as of last night, I have been using Bachmann wheels where none are supplied. They work, aren't too wide and it's not as though I have finescale track. They're not the cheapest, you can get twice as many Dapol wheels for half the price, but having bought a few at an exhibition, I don't rate them at all. Too wide and not always concentric, both of those issues are the reason I wouldn't use secondhand Lima or Tri-ang wheels either! The Dapol wheels are bloody awful. I bought a bag by mistake. Those AG wheels look like they have much finer rims and spokes than the varieties I’ve been using, and one thing that has been bugging me about the wagons I’m building is everything below the under frame seems a bit bulky. The 51L wheels from Wizard have been the best I’ve found so far - the ones in Compound’s photo look even better. Jay 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted November 13, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2021 Been busy elsewhere regards those who get a bit sniffy that you are not using P4 or S7, I suggest asking if the have used a scale size motor to drive their locos. Afterall what price 2.33mm when you have stuffed an electric motor and worm wheel in there. If you wanted to see something close to scale Clary Edwards built live steam locos for 0 gauge. If the prototype had three working cylinders so did Clary's model. His West Country included the chain drive. He actually worked to a shade under 7mm so that the 32mm gauge scaled out correctly. Not be he was pedantic but be cause it made fitting the works between the frames easier. I never heard Clary criticise anyone elses choices. Don 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Gough Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 1 hour ago, MrWolf said: Internet went all FUBAR at an inconvenient moment there. (Coincidentally, just as the telephone poles were getting demolished on Where Eagles Dare, ITV4...) Spooky. Broadsword calling Danny Boy? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted November 13, 2021 Author Share Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) Broadsword, this is Danny Boy, do you read me? Over. Edited August 24, 2022 by MrWolf 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted November 13, 2021 Author Share Posted November 13, 2021 I'm given to understand that the Gibson wheels can be bought in pairs of axles complete with four bearings. Does anyone know of the best place to buy them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Gough Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Watch your back Admiral! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted November 13, 2021 Author Share Posted November 13, 2021 I do believe that precautions were made. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Gough Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 I think you'll find that that type of helicopter wasn't in service in 1943. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted November 13, 2021 Author Share Posted November 13, 2021 I think it was a Bell helicopter from the early fifties that they used for the film. I doubt that there's any wartime German helicopters left and they certainly didn't look like that! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted November 14, 2021 Author Share Posted November 14, 2021 (edited) Flettner fl282, 1943, first modern type of helicopter. Aviastar.org Edited August 24, 2022 by MrWolf 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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