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0-6-0 OO scale B.R. blue S.R. diesel shunter required with flywheel drive.


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Having installed a Peco 3-way insulfrog point as the 'King' on my yard, my aged Mainline 03 stalls on it repeatedly, so I would like to replace it with a shunter with a flywheel-drive.  Is the Hornby 08:

 

https://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/shop/locomotives/diesel-electric-locomotives/br-0-6-0-class-08.html

 

the only such OO scale shunter thus (suitable for a Southern Region layout), or does the Heljan 07 have a flywheel mechanism tucked into that little 'bonnet' as well?  I assume there is no 03 model with a flywheel mechanism.  All recommendations gratefully received.  I might try and do a little tweaking on the point as well over the weekend and check all is level.  Thank you for giving this your consideration, and for any advice.

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Have you tried the newer Bachmann drewrys? I have a relatively new Bachmann 04 and it’s leaps ahead even  versus the older Bachmann 03 never mind the mainline one with or without flywheel. I know the 04 may not be SR but I’m sure a body swap would be possible.

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Fitting pickups transformed my Mainline 03.   It started as an early Bachmann 04 which had the large worm / flywheel thingy and expired after about 2 years. The temporary Mainline chassis bought for a fiver, was abysmal and stalled repeatedly so I fitted pickups from the chassis to the wheel backs which transformed it, so much so that I never bothered with another chassis.

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On 17/11/2020 at 19:42, ianmacc said:

I know the 04 may not be SR but I’m sure a body swap would be possible.


The southern had as many, in fact more I’m pretty sure, 04 as they did 03.

 

The broad picture is that the eastern division got 04, the central division half and half, and the western 03, because of the dates at which they were “dieselised”, but it wasn’t quite as simple as that, because there were odd early locos on the western, and late locos on the eastern.

 

 

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6 hours ago, Nearholmer said:


The southern had as many, in fact more I’m pretty sure, 04 as they did 03.

 

The broad picture is that the eastern division got 04, the central division half and half, and the western 03, because of the dates at which they were “dieselised”, but it wasn’t quite as simple as that, because there were odd early locos on the western, and late locos on the eastern.

 

 

Thanks. Any idea why the 04s were withdrawn so much sooner than the 03s? Braking systems I assume.

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On the southern specifically, more a case that the need for shunting dramatically decreased, and it made more sense to keep solely the 350hp locos, plus a tiny few 204hp for Weymouth Quay and other O&S in the Bournemouth area. If you compare the number of shunting locos on the southern 1965 to 1975, you will see that the reduction was huge. The 07 were not far off white elephants.

 

 

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Thanks to you all for your information.  I admit I had not heard of the 04 model; am I right in thinking there were up-dated flywheel models done of both the 03 and 04?  I am finding the models I like were all made five years ago and have now sold out...

 

I doubt my technical abilities to wire up a match-truck or fit added pick-ups, alas.  Struggling yester-day with shakey hands trying to re-number a Heljan 73, I would rather find something 'straight out of the box' if possible.  As to the cause, from what I can see it is the large number of "lumpy frogs" on the 3-way that appears to provide an opportunity to stall a small wheel-base loco.  Pick-up on the 03 appears fine, as it is a split-chassis drawing from all six wheels.  I put a little Electrolube on the axles' pick-up area to help, I hope.

 

The point checks as being 'flat' with a metal straight-edge, but varies in 'level'.  I have not pinned down any of my points, as I thought this 'was not done', relying on the track connecting them to maintain their position.  Should I bite the bullet and try (gently!) tacking down this one?

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Thanks for the E-Bay suggestion, @vikingsmb .  Just one final silly question: do the 03/04 and 07 models have flywheel drives, or is it just the later Hornby 08?  I will check for availability as well of the 04.  Many thanks for your help.

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Thanks again to you all for giving this your attention and advice.  I will get the Dividers and graph paper out at the weekend, and measure the rail lengths of the three 'routes' through the turn-out.  If I construct a paper template of the wheel-base, I can see if/where it is encountering 'dead rails', and then follow this up.  Will keep you posted.  Best wishes.

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On 24/11/2020 at 12:32, C126 said:

Thanks for the E-Bay suggestion, @vikingsmb .  Just one final silly question: do the 03/04 and 07 models have flywheel drives, or is it just the later Hornby 08?  I will check for availability as well of the 04.  Many thanks for your help.

Hi C126,

Sorry but I have to respond to the message you refer to here, this is from gostude, one of the most notorious folk on eBay, I cannot believe anyone would recommend him!

Surely, another seller could supply such a model cheaper or you could go for the Heljan version?

 I have quite a few searches saved on eBay and eventually, a model in my price range comes up, from a reputable seller too.

Good luck,

John.

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On 25/11/2020 at 17:09, Allegheny1600 said:

Hi C126,

Sorry but I have to respond to the message you refer to here, this is from gostude, one of the most notorious folk on eBay, I cannot believe anyone would recommend him!

Surely, another seller could supply such a model cheaper or you could go for the Heljan version?

 I have quite a few searches saved on eBay and eventually, a model in my price range comes up, from a reputable seller too.

Good luck,

John.

Fyi, I have never had a problem with gostude. how is he notorious? nothing wrong.

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12 hours ago, vikingsmb said:

Fyi, I have never had a problem with gostude. how is he notorious? nothing wrong.

As noted above, prices are usually in the high, over high or ridiculous category.

Example, of the various class 07’s listed on eBay currently, there are at least 8 Heljan models listed at below his price for the much older Silver Fox models that are no doubt, equipped with lesser mechanisms.

Just take a browse through the topic on eBay Madness and you’ll find numerous examples showing him to be a charlatan. 
Caveat Emptor.

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Sorry to neglect this query for so long; events as always intervene.  However, I spent a weekend with 'my nose pressed to the p-way', and found the 08's chassis appears to stall on two 'sweet spots' as indicated when turning both left and right:

 

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The direction of travel is indicated, the leading axle being red, the trailing green.  The centre road causes no problems.  I found one length of the point not being level, so this needs correcting (the 08 'rocked' in one place).  Anyway, hope this is of interest.

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The Peco 3-way insulfrog point came out just in time for my layout (1982/3) and it was apparent that the two outer full-length rails were insufficient to keep the whole thing perfectly flat, so pinning down was necessary - in fact I drilled extra pinning holes in all of the layout's Peco pointwork to make sure they were as flat as possible. I also noticed the 'lumpy frogs' so after pinning them down I gently rubbed the frogs with some fine-grade wet n dry abrasive paper wrapped around a block of 2x1 wood.

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On 18/03/2021 at 14:06, Neil Phillips said:

The Peco 3-way insulfrog point came out just in time for my layout (1982/3) and it was apparent that the two outer full-length rails were insufficient to keep the whole thing perfectly flat, so pinning down was necessary - in fact I drilled extra pinning holes in all of the layout's Peco pointwork to make sure they were as flat as possible. I also noticed the 'lumpy frogs' so after pinning them down I gently rubbed the frogs with some fine-grade wet n dry abrasive paper wrapped around a block of 2x1 wood.

 

Sorry not to have replied sooner - one day I will understand the 'notifcation settings' - but many thanks for the advice.  I will take the plunge and try tacking down turnout 'sparingly' to try and get a wholly level rail throughout.  The 'lumpy frogs' point is useful as well.  Thanks again.

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On 23/03/2021 at 18:32, KeithHC said:

Might a stay alive solve the problems.......

 

Keith

 

Thanks for the suggestion, and apologies for the delay.  Alas, my layout is old fashioned direct current.  What I need is a 'Relco'(?)...

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Much obliged to you for this warning.  I will take another look at the point and loco a.s.a.p. and keep you posted.

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