Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Total nugget question, but what Humbol paint is good for DB EpIII dampfloks under gubbins? Web suggests Humbrol 153, insignia red but that seems a bit too scarlet whereas videos of the real thing seem slightly more orangey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michl080 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 can't answer the question directly but I know that steam engines were painted RAL3002 Karminrot starting from 1950, so all of EPIII was using it. RAL 3000 Feuerrot was used in In EPII until 1950. I hope you can find a comparison table between Humbrol and RAL Michael 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 A quick RAL comparison suggests Humbrol 153 again... I was confused as this chaps videos seem to show a much brighter, orangey red... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allegheny1600 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Ah but that’s the weathered versions! Red is known to be a less stable colour too, which should account for the orangey appearance seen above, add a healthy dose of grime, oil and road dirt and surely, you could get away with quite a range of red to represent the original colour. Cheers, John. PS The major Continental manufacturers often have a mismatch between various components, depending upon whether they are plastic or metal! 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 I had a red car once... every panel was a different shade and the plastic bits were pink... S'funny the DB undergubbins should weather towards orange though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium readingtype Posted November 25, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 25, 2020 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAL-Eisenbahnfarben says RAL 3000 until 1950, then RAL 3002. This conversion site from RAL to other standards (mainly proprietary) is quite useful: https://encycolorpedia.com/paints/ral I am not sure I could explain how to use it but I mustn't judge others by my dimwitted standards :-) Take for example their entry for carmine red (RAL 3002). Under 'Humbrol' it gives '153 Insignia Red'. And rates the accuracy of the match. The cliché of colour is that it's never the same. Not in real life when surface, substrate, lighting and reflection have a profound effect on what comes out of the pot and not in photos or videos where the technology used to record and reproduce distorts it. Apart from that it's easy! Ben 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekoboy Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 I use Humbrol's or Revell's 'signal red' or Signalrot' - and it looks fine. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted November 26, 2020 Author Share Posted November 26, 2020 That looks the ticket... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted November 26, 2020 Author Share Posted November 26, 2020 Well i never, look what I found hiding under a pile of half finished projects on my workbench... It's uncanny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted December 7, 2020 Author Share Posted December 7, 2020 (edited) Well, I have to say the shade may be ok, but what a terrible paint - even with my patent electric paint stirrer, the pigment doesn't mix well with the oil or whatever it is, and the coverage is poor. anyway, it'll have to do until I find a better paint. It took about 3 hours to get this far, including two goes round the tender running gear and just this side of the loco... serves me right for buying an ÖBB version Edited December 7, 2020 by Dr Gerbil-Fritters 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michl080 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 German loco had red inlays at the coupling rods, biut the main part of them was natural steel colour. You can easily reach that by removing the coupling rods and treating them with fine wet and dry paper. It should look like this: cheers, Michael 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) I shall tidy up my connecting rods next session. This afternoon I got another coat of paint on the loco and tender. Looking much better now. All I need are some DB number plates... I'm sure I've seen some on the Bay of E. Edited December 12, 2020 by Dr Gerbil-Fritters 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adecoaches26point4 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Here is an example of Weinert Karmine red on a 1970's kit built DB BR 23, converted Marklin 3 rail AC to 2 rail DC. colour looks spot on. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 Almost ready for reassembly... Just a bit of touching up, and polish the edges of the connecting rods. I couldn't find the Br44 plates on the bay of e, must have imagined it. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted December 16, 2020 Author Share Posted December 16, 2020 All back together again, and had a quick test run. Smashing. Then I realised I had overlooked painting the guard irons and pony truck... s0d it. A change of ID and a pair of Witte smoke defectors and a DCC chip and we're done. My other Br44, bought as a non-runner, is awaiting a packet of spares from Roco before it can be returned to service 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelE Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 Looks great! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maico Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Being able to see any red was hard when cleaning fell out of fashion... 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share Posted December 30, 2020 I would have clicked 'like' because I like the pictures but I don't like dirty engines! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maico Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 45 minutes ago, Dr Gerbil-Fritters said: I would have clicked 'like' because I like the pictures but I don't like dirty engines! A bit of cleaning going on here with an old school gent on another class 41, happy? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share Posted December 30, 2020 Bellisimo! I just love black and red, such a classy paint scheme. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFL Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 The CFL cheated, although they did use yellow for the markings 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allegheny1600 Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 Going all black makes it look like a different loco! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFL Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 On 09/01/2021 at 11:54, Allegheny1600 said: Going all black makes it look like a different loco! Actually this would be early post-war, the CFL didn't have much stock left so when they got ex-German locos (and anyone else come to that) there was no way they were staying satin black and red, it was straight out with the matt black and a big brush. Note this is a goods loco - we didn't have enough intact track for an express! I have two ex-Prussian T9s in HO with slight differences but both are CFL class 32xx, again matt black. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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