RBAGE Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 17 minutes ago, unravelled said: That's much better, but I still have a slight discrepancy (<0.5mm) in the length. I will try again from scratch over the weekend. The only difference I can see is my smallest radius is 1294mm, slightly larger than that in your screenshot. It's nothing I'm bothered about at the moment, your pdf template will be more than good enough for my planning. But this has given me the incentive to put some more effort into learning Templot. Thanks Dave Best of luck. I failed to learn enough to use it to anywhere near what it's capable of and I've had it since the days when you had to pay for it. Old dogs, new tricks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted May 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 21, 2021 18 minutes ago, unravelled said: That's much better, but I still have a slight discrepancy (<0.5mm) in the length. I will try again from scratch over the weekend. The only difference I can see is my smallest radius is 1294mm, slightly larger than that in your screenshot. It's nothing I'm bothered about at the moment, your pdf template will be more than good enough for my planning. But this has given me the incentive to put some more effort into learning Templot. Hi Dave, 1294mm is correct: The figure in my previous screenshot was before I adjusted the entry straight. The Templot drawing exactly matches Wayne's PDF and the dimension shown on it. If you have a slight discrepancy it is likely yo be in resin shrinkage, and you would see the same on Wayne's PDF. Either that, or your printer is not totally accurate -- are the grid squares exactly 50mm intervals? cheers, Martin. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold unravelled Posted May 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 21, 2021 Thanks for clearing that up. I have found where the discrepancy occurs. Checking with the grid, your downloaded pdf has printed a whisker larger than the Templot image I created. I'm not sure which is right, time to calibrate my printer and find an accurate ruler. Thanks again Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bude_branch Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Could some kind soul please confirm the radius and crossing angle of the new B7 point kit for me? I'm sure it's been mentioned here somewhere, I just can't seem to find it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted May 25, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 25, 2021 45 minutes ago, bude_branch said: Could some kind soul please confirm the radius and crossing angle of the new B7 point kit for me? I'm sure it's been mentioned here somewhere, I just can't seem to find it. Hi Nigel, Crossing angle is 1:7 00 radius: 1294mm (51") EM radius: 1491mm (59") Martin. 2 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Budgie Posted May 25, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 25, 2021 1 hour ago, bude_branch said: Could some kind soul please confirm the radius and crossing angle of the new B7 point kit for me? I'm sure it's been mentioned here somewhere, I just can't seem to find it. Further to what Martin said, the crossing angle is 8°10'16" (8 degrees, 10 minutes, 16 seconds). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bude_branch Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 27 minutes ago, martin_wynne said: Hi Nigel, Crossing angle is 1:7 00 radius: 1294mm (51") EM radius: 1491mm (59") Martin. Hi Martin, Thanks very much for your reply. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bude_branch Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, Budgie said: Further to what Martin said, the crossing angle is 8°10'16" (8 degrees, 10 minutes, 16 seconds). Many thanks for that, with my eyesight I think 8° will do fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted May 25, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 25, 2021 54 minutes ago, Budgie said: Further to what Martin said, the crossing angle is 8°10'16" (8 degrees, 10 minutes, 16 seconds). I thought that was how long they took to build! Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus1 Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Thank goodness you're not into jigsaw puzzles that are marked for 3-4 years! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 (edited) Does no news mean good news? I've already ripped up a good section of layout in the anticipation of 1:7 diamonds. Don't do a PECO bullhead on me. Edited May 29, 2021 by RBAGE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithHC Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 I would imagine Wayne may be a bit busy at the moment. I believe he has slips and diamonds in planning and previously he has said late summer around August. Also he has the 00sf B7 in line next. And after all that there is a smaller point as well again in the three different gauges with matching diamonds. It’s a lot to look forward too. i should imagine he is taking a well earned break-in his caravan this weekend so that he can crack on in the weeks to come. Keith 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 1 hour ago, KeithHC said: I would imagine Wayne may be a bit busy at the moment. I believe he has slips and diamonds in planning and previously he has said late summer around August. Also he has the 00sf B7 in line next. And after all that there is a smaller point as well again in the three different gauges with matching diamonds. It’s a lot to look forward too. i should imagine he is taking a well earned break-in his caravan this weekend so that he can crack on in the weeks to come. Keith Aye! I’m just keeping the ball rolling. Yes, Wayne has a lot of work on his hands and, yes, he deserves a break. The Imogey was intended to suggest that my tongue was firmly in my cheek. I was attempting to keep the product in the public eye and encourage success. It seems my intentions were not clear. How do you spell imogey? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted May 29, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 29, 2021 14 minutes ago, RBAGE said: How do you spell imogey? Emoji -- from emotion. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chuffer Davies Posted June 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 5, 2021 After an enjoyable couple of weeks carpentry and track building I was today able to test run my new test track. The starting point was an old pine shelf that had been stored in my garage for 20 odd years doing nothing. I had been looking for an excuse to build one of Wayne's new points and a test track shelf seemed like an ideal opportunity to try one. In the end I settled on a track plan incorporating three of the British Finescale B7 points augmented with a hand built 1:7 diamond crossing constructed from C&L laser cut sleepers and 3 bolt chairs. The plain track is from the EMGS (Peco). Track centres are 50mm apart. Other than some minor challenges resolving the height differences in the 3 different track systems employed, everything else was straight forward. The points took me a leisurely hour a piece to make, the diamond crossing somewhat longer. I now have a vastly superior test track than the 2ft length of plain track I have used for the last 30 years. A minor observation for others intending to build these points, I would recommend supergluing the check rails in place otherwise there is a risk that they will slide out of position during an over zealous track cleaning session. Regards, Frank 12 1 2 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Kinney Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 (edited) Hi Frank, Many thanks for sharing! Seems to be running nice a smoothly through that formation, very nice track laying! You mention height difference, was that just with the ply sleepers, not the Peco track, right? Also, have you polished and blackened the cast crossing frog as per the instruction? This really improve it's appearance. All really nice Edited June 5, 2021 by Wayne Kinney 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuffer Davies Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 13 minutes ago, Wayne Kinney said: Hi Frank, Many thanks for sharing! Seems to be running nice a smoothly through that formation, very nice track laying! You mention height difference, was that just with the ply sleepers, not the Peco track, right? Also, have you polished and blackened the cast crossing frog as per the instruction? This really improve it's appearance. All really nice Hi Wayne, There was a definite difference between the plywood sleeper based track and the points. Probably about 0.2mm. I overcame this by gluing some thin strips of plastic card under the last three sleepers on the point bases to bring them up to the same height as the crossing. I had thought there was a similar difference between the points and the EMGS track with the Peco track being the lower. I also packed the Peco track in the same way therefore. Perhaps this was incorrect but everything seems to align okay. More fun was getting the plain track to align vertically with the points which had previously been vertically aligned to the crossing. In these circumstances I terminated the plain track with a few ply sleepers and C&L chairs so that the transition was in the plain track well before the rail joint. Fun and Games...... Given this was a 'fun' project to produce a test track, I neither stained the ply sleepers or blackened the cast frog although the track tops of the frog were indeed polished with fine grit wet and dry. I'll probably be taking this test track to exhibitions when I am next invited to demonstrate (usually loco building) so I thought it best to leave the track in its original state so that visitors can see it in its intermediate stage prior to staining and ballasting. Congratulations on an excellent product Wayne. If I'd been patient I could have saved myself the effort of building the crossing and waited for you to produce yours instead, but as I had all the materials I needed in my spares box I thought I'd crack on with building my own. I'll be interested to see how your crossing sleepers knit in with your point sleepers? It was all a bit of a bodge on my test track and probably doesn't adhere to prototype practice. Regards, Frank 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted June 6, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 6, 2021 5 hours ago, Chuffer Davies said: I'll probably be taking this test track to exhibitions when I am next invited to demonstrate (usually loco building) so I thought it best to leave the track in its original state so that visitors can see it in its intermediate stage prior to staining and ballasting. How about showing the three points at different stages of finishing? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Kinney Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) Hi Guys, Not 00 or EM but thought it might be interesting. Master patterns for both 2mm Finescale and 3mm Finescale crossing frogs, ready to make moulds from. Pictured next to an EM Gauge crossing frog for size comparision. The 2FS one is a 1in7, the 3mm one 1in6. The 2FS one is tiny, I'm not even sure if it's castable but certainly going to try! Edited June 8, 2021 by Wayne Kinney 7 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted June 8, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 8, 2021 Hi Wayne, Excellent. Apart from: The red bit should be daylight. I may have mentioned this before. Ships and buckets of tar come to mind. cheers, Martin. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 32 minutes ago, Wayne Kinney said: Hi Guys, Not 00 or EM but thought it might be interesting. Master patterns for both 2mm Finescale and 3mm Finescale crossing frogs, ready to make moulds from. Pictured next to an EM Gauge crossing frog for size comparision. The 2FS one is a 1in7, the 3mm one 1in6. The 2FS one is tiny, I'm not even sure if it's castable but certainly going to try! I’m fairly sure the 2mm finescale association already produce cast crossings for the kits they already supply to members. I have kits for a long planned 2mm layout that will probably never come to fruition. 2mm finescale easitrac system have components that peg in place. Assuming you are planning to sell to 2mm finescale modellers (obvs), and assuming these modellers are association members, and also assuming they buy from the association, there may not be much of a market. Unless you are selling to the association, as you do to the EMGS. will it be possible to put a slight curve into your 00 gauge diamonds or does the geometry make that impossible? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2mm Andy Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 9 minutes ago, RBAGE said: I’m fairly sure the 2mm finescale association already produce cast crossings for the kits they already supply to members. The 2mm Scale Association crossings are milled from nickel silver (including the relief in the side of the rail to represent the web of BH rail) and have a tapped hole that allows them to be screwed down to the turmout base. Andy 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 20 minutes ago, 2mm Andy said: The 2mm Scale Association crossings are milled from nickel silver (including the relief in the side of the rail to represent the web of BH rail) and have a tapped hole that allows them to be screwed down to the turmout base. Andy Thanks Andy, I would have checked before putting my foot in my mouth but I’m not at home. Bob 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Kinney Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, martin_wynne said: Hi Wayne, Excellent. Apart from: The red bit should be daylight. I may have mentioned this before. Ships and buckets of tar come to mind. cheers, Martin. Hi Martin, Thanks. Aware of it and again these are the first revisions of the castings. Removing that metal does make it more fragile and prone to either warping or bending. 1 hour ago, RBAGE said: I’m fairly sure the 2mm finescale association already produce cast crossings for the kits they already supply to members. I have kits for a long planned 2mm layout that will probably never come to fruition. 2mm finescale easitrac system have components that peg in place. Assuming you are planning to sell to 2mm finescale modellers (obvs), and assuming these modellers are association members, and also assuming they buy from the association, there may not be much of a market. Unless you are selling to the association, as you do to the EMGS. will it be possible to put a slight curve into your 00 gauge diamonds or does the geometry make that impossible? All I will say is I'm working with the 2mmSA on this. I am trying my best to provide them with the best possible product, with daylight through the cast crossing rails (including the web relief in the side of the rail to represent the web of BH rail, as I've always done on my N Gauge kits). They have shown very positive interest. I really enjoy working with the societies, and bouncing design ideas off each other. Edited June 8, 2021 by Wayne Kinney 9 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted June 9, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 9, 2021 12 hours ago, martin_wynne said: Hi Wayne, Excellent. Apart from: The red bit should be daylight. I may have mentioned this before. Ships and buckets of tar come to mind. cheers, Martin. Wouldn't it be possible to saw the piece out of the final product if it was a problem? The kits seem to save plenty of time so a couple of minutes added isn't critical, then you get the best of both worlds! Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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