2021 hopes

[tomparryharry]

3 hours ago, adb968008 said:

Its not about the number of coaches, its about its ability go pull itself up a hill. Even my Beattie can manage 6 humble 4 wheelers on a gradient.

My point precisely. People comment "Oh, it doesn't pull a lot." In real life, it didn't need to pull a lot. That's life. If it's a bigger job, use a bigger locomotive. 

[tomparryharry]

2 hours ago, newbryford said:

Another garish livery.

Pity it's not "modern".............

Flickr Pic by RMwebber Jack

 

And the subject of many requests on this thread,

 

 

Fair play, that does look good. Someone deserves a design award for that idea. 

[RyanN91]

I know we have all covered this subject a lot!  I might have already mentioned this already apologies if I have .Well 2020 is the 30th Anniversary of Hornby first releasing BR MK4 coaching stock. Also next year 2021 is the 30th Anniversary of the Intercity 225  train set, 2021 is also my 30th Anniversary on Earth!  With the BR Class 91s due next May , BR MK4 carriages and a BR MK4 DVT  must also be in the 2021 range as previously mentioned they probably were intended to be in the 2020 Range but limitations meant they were pushed to the 2021 range speculation there!  

 

Back to the train sets I was thinking  back about Heritage steam locomotives for the GWR Rivera Express Set or Devonian Rivera Express instead of the beautiful GWR 1000 Class, County Class locomotives, as sadly none were preserved (although the last time I looked a replica is planned to be built)  how about if the toolings still exist the old toolings for just the body and tender for the equally as beautiful GWR 6000 Class any of the King Class loco one in BR late crest other in GWR livery with the  previously mentioned BR MK1 coaches in Chocolate and Cream livery. ( a revived 1996/1997 Cornish Riviera Express)  or a BR Class 31 would be fantastic in a diesel freight set. I would love to see more  LNER, GWR, Cross Country, Grand Central , VTEC Scot Rail, etc. In train sets. Could Hornby really do another High Speed Train Set the same contents in different liveries of franchises , perhaps as  "CrossCountry High Speed Train"  livery or "LNER High Speed Train". 

 

For beautiful Wales how about a Welsh themed train set? Perhaps a GWR 4073 Castle Class locomotive RailRoad  "4073 Caerphilly Castle"  locomotive with 1 GWR Composite Coach and 1 GWR Brake Coach both Railroad but the set could be called "The Vale of Glamorgan Express" Train set (working title),  other than this to no avail I am trying to think of The Welsh equivalent in terms of the name of a Welsh themed steam train set with nearby named themed Brecon Beacons places. like Hornby have done on their Scottish themed Train sets such as "The Master of The Glens" with the beautiful  LNER P2 "Cock O' The North" locomotive. Or would another Twin Train Set be profitable I can think of suggestions of what type steam or diesel etc one a passenger train the other freight.  Or a Southern themed steam train set ( I cant think of any names as yet ) Perhaps an old tooled Schools Class locomotive/ or a West Country Class locomotive old tooled, both in SR Green, with 2 Railroad coaches 1  SR Composite Coach and 1 SR Brake Coach in Southern Green.

 

Thinking of  some newly tooled models how about if the demand can match of course I would love to see a BR Class 41 HST Prototypes of the two power cars with a rake of BR MK 3 carriages again in original prototype BR livery but this is probably unlikely as one offs are usually only confined to steam locomotives "LNER W1 Hush Hush example".  

 

I think I have contributed more than enough to the 2021 hopes, I'll just sit back (on this thread)  and see what else everyone else thinks and wishes etc. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

[Dunsignalling]

The main problem, for me at least, with "modern" liveries is that the rolling stock builders expend a lot of time, effort and cash in producing what they consider to be an aesthetically pleasing unit. 

 

Then the TOCs spend a load more money paying some alleged "designer" to plaster the finished article with multiple colours, the only condition being that (in almost every instance) none of the interfaces between any of them must be permitted to coincide with any of the painstakingly-styled body lines.  

 

This allegedly makes the thing appear "eye-catching" but in reality will look old-hat as soon as it's been around long enough to become familiar.

 

John

Edited December 13, 2020 by Dunsignalling

[TomScrut]

10 hours ago, newbryford said:

Another garish livery.

 

TBH the only bit that doesn't work for me is the front end. I can't put my finger on it though, I think it's the lines around the windscreen and I think some yellow would have helped too.

[adb968008]

4 minutes ago, TomScrut said:

 

TBH the only bit that doesn't work for me is the front end. I can't put my finger on it though, I think it's the lines around the windscreen and I think some yellow would have helped too.

Lack of a red buffer beam perhaps ?

[TomScrut]

21 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said:

Then the TOCs spend a load more money paying some alleged "designer" to plaster the finished article with multiple colours, the only condition being that (in almost every instance) none of the interfaces between any of them must be permitted to coincide with any of the painstakingly-styled body lines.  

 

Well I expect that it is that the TOCs have a livery, with very specific rules on what goes where, and then whatever stock is bought the livery gets applied according to those rules, which sometimes can be like putting na square peg in a round hole. The only time I expect any different is when a rebrand is initiated around a train such as LNER with the Azumas.

[1andrew1]

1 hour ago, TomScrut said:

 

TBH the only bit that doesn't work for me is the front end. I can't put my finger on it though, I think it's the lines around the windscreen and I think some yellow would have helped too.

Yes, I've got the same feeling. Maybe I'm conditioned to seeing blue, grey and yellow together.

[adb968008]

7 minutes ago, 1andrew1 said:

Yes, I've got the same feeling. Maybe I'm conditioned to seeing blue, grey and yellow together.

Careful what you wish for.

 

when released, retailers couldnt give the yellow ended one away...

 

https://www.collectors-club-of-great-britain.co.uk/news/Bachmann-releases-oo-gauge-blue-midland-pullman/

 

[caradoc]

Should Hornby decide (or rather, have already decided) to do a Heritage DMU, I would suggest the Lincoln-based Class 114; 2-cars, so not as big a risk as longer units, reasonably long-lived and widespread (in the East anyway), and a variety of liveries; Green, blue, white/blue, blue/grey, even South Yorkshire PTE. Sadly however I do not see it happening. And a Class 303/311 EMU would be wonderful too, but even less likely. 

 

 

[Legend]

2 hours ago, adb968008 said:

Careful what you wish for.

 

when released, retailers couldnt give the yellow ended one away...

 

https://www.collectors-club-of-great-britain.co.uk/news/Bachmann-releases-oo-gauge-blue-midland-pullman/

 

A combination of a very high priced unit and a livery that must have been very short lived . Never a good idea . 

[Legend]

A 303/311 would be superb . So stylish. A fair number of liveries too .  Got to think a 313/314/315 combination would be more commercially viable . You never know though , Hornby picked a class 110 dmu back in 1981 when class 101, 108s and even a 104 was much more widespread . 

[TomScrut]

2 hours ago, adb968008 said:

Careful what you wish for.

 

when released, retailers couldnt give the yellow ended one away...

 

https://www.collectors-club-of-great-britain.co.uk/news/Bachmann-releases-oo-gauge-blue-midland-pullman/

 

 

It looks awful doesn't it!

 

OTOH we have seen plenty of yellow on the ends of HSTs over the years to good effect.

 

I think a lot of it is the shape of the white above the screen and I think there should be some colouring around the lights

[The Stationmaster]

15 hours ago, Philou said:

@tomparryharry I shouldn't be too sure about a 14xx 'just' pulling a couple coaches. I have some photos (borrowed off t'intertubes so won't post up here) showing 1427 waiting for 'right away' (shirley that ought to be 'right-of-way'?)  and has in its consist the following: a ventilated van, two 6-wheel coaches, another ventilated van, 2 7-planks and 4 5-planks all loaded with coal, plus a Toad at the rear - so a nice open cab 0-4-2 for a change would be good. Its replacement, 5818, is shown pulling similar loads - 10 assorted goods wagons including a steel 16 tonner plus a Toad - I'd have one of those too.

 

Cheers,

 

Philip

14XX were in reality permitted to haul quite respectable (for their size) loads - 168 tons on 1 in 100 in auto train working and even on 1 in 50 on auto working they were allowed 96 tons.  517s were also allowed some quite respectable loads - 176 tons down the B&H. 198 tons anywhere between Reading and Bristol via either Bath or Badminton, 130 tons on a throughout train over the Vale of Neath, 150 tons Pontypool Road to Monmouth but only 120 tons beween Monmouth and Chepstow so quite a decent train of sx wheelers.

 

Back to 2021 and I'm sure there'll be  something for everyone;  the only question might be who counts as 'everyone'?

[Ouroborus]

25 minutes ago, TomScrut said:

 

It looks awful doesn't it!

 

OTOH we have seen plenty of yellow on the ends of HSTs over the years to good effect.

 

I think a lot of it is the shape of the white above the screen and I think there should be some colouring around the lights

 

I remember that being £189 at Hattons.  Effectively two locomotives and four carriages for less than 200 notes.  How times have changed.

[D9020 Nimbus]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Hornby do a class 104 and beat Heljan to the shops — it is a class they considered doing before in OO, but dropped it in favour of the 110 (perhaps because the latter had more liveries available?). Possibly a Railroad-plus model using the chassis off the class 101?
 

Of all the suggestions made so far, I think a D49 4-4-0 is the most likely:

1. They've done it before.
2. There's a green version.
3. They have names.

 

[TomScrut]

1 hour ago, Ouroborus said:

 

I remember that being £189 at Hattons.  Effectively two locomotives and four carriages for less than 200 notes.  How times have changed.

 

It's funny how these things come about, although some stuff it seems quite remarkable. Rails reducing JJAs to about £23 when they were in the shops, now they fetch over twice that if non generator.

[TomScrut]

1 minute ago, D9020 Nimbus said:

I wouldn't be surprised to see Hornby do a class 104 and beat Heljan to the shops — it is a class they considered doing before in OO, but dropped it in favour of the 110 (perhaps because the latter had more liveries available?). Possibly a Railroad-plus model using the chassis off the class 101?

 

The thing is, how big is the market for something like a 104? Probably not massive but enough to justify making one. Probably not big enough to justify a turf war but I don't know much on the subject I am making assumptions.

What demographic of people will be after a 104? Probably 40+ year olds as a guess given the era etc.

 

So in reality, how successful would a Hornby Railroad Plus model do? I know not all potential 104 buyers are going to want to spend £200+ on a DMU but I expect there will be more wanting a highly detailed Heljan one than a Railroad Plus Hornby one.

 

[fiftyfour fiftyfour]

14 hours ago, tomparryharry said:

Fair play, that does look good. Someone deserves a design award for that idea. 

Will have to agree to disagree there. Make the worlds most successful diesel train look like the least successful one. I suppose it proves that given time any past sin is forgiven, maybe in 20 years time someone will turn a Class 68 and Mk5 set out in Connex livery and everyone will be fizzing over with excitement at seeing it or owning a model of it!

 

[BMacdermott]

Hello everyone

 

I have detailed below what items have been announced since we published the results of The 00 Wishlist Poll 2019 - the list might indicate some gaps that need filling. They are in category order as appearing in The Poll.

 

2 GWR Locos

2 SR Locos

1 LMS Locos

4 LNER Locos

1 BR Standard Locos

3 Gas Turbine, Diesel & Electric Locos

1 Railbuses, Railcars & DMUs

1 EMUs

0 GWR Coaches (and 0 in 2018)

0 SR Coaches 

1 LMS Coaches 

0 LNER Coaches (and 0 in 2018)

1 BR Coaches

0 Non-passenger Carrying Coaching Stock (NPCCS) (and 0 in 2018)

1 Freight Stock Pre-1923 

0 Freight Stock 1923-1947 

1 Freight Stock 1948-1963 

4 Freight Stock 1964-current 

0 General Railway Service - Steam Era

0 General Railway Service - Post-steam Era 

 

Additionally, Rocket was announced from The Quirky Poll.

 

All the best

 

Brian (on behalf of The 00 Poll Team)

 

 

[Covkid]

1 hour ago, TomScrut said:

 

The thing is, how big is the market for something like a 104? Probably not massive but enough to justify making one. Probably not big enough to justify a turf war but I don't know much on the subject I am making assumptions.

What demographic of people will be after a 104? Probably 40+ year olds as a guess given the era etc.

 

So in reality, how successful would a Hornby Railroad Plus model do? I know not all potential 104 buyers are going to want to spend £200+ on a DMU but I expect there will be more wanting a highly detailed Heljan one than a Railroad Plus Hornby one.

 

If you consider Hornby's ahem battles with other manufacturers, I would say it would be unsurprising. 

 

The class 104 worked over every region of BR except the Southern and carried ;

Green (whiskers)

Green SYP

Some with white roof domes some without

Blue (yellow cab doors)

Blue

Blue and "Blackpool stripes"

Blue and grey (I think one or two cars)

NSE

 

Fifteen two car power+trailer sets (ten ER and five LMR)

Loads of three car sets for both the above as well as some four cars for the ER.  

Plenty of liveries and numbers to go at, but somehow I doubt they will do the 104 unless they plan to revisit the 110 at the same time.

[The Johnster]

16 hours ago, tomparryharry said:

Fair play, that does look good. Someone deserves a design award for that idea. 

I think it looks stunning, but am against it in principle; it offends my inner socialist.  The Blue Pullman sets represented everything I hated about the world in those days, and still do; privelege, 'exclusivity', the denial of a train and a path to everybody else, catering to the sort of folk who consdier everybody else to be hoi polloi.  I felt the same about Concorde. 

 

British Rail's HST OTOH, as well as being phenomenally successful, was the first and for a long time only train in the world that offered high speed on a conventional railway, in addition to tinted double glazed window, air conditioning, and no supplementary fare or reservation necessary.  It was the Peoples' Railway's finest hour!

[RyanN91]

For 2021 the Oxford BR Rail Carflat Motorail could be introduced as a Hornby Freight rolling stock.

 

Along with BR Motorail Car Transporter (Cartic) With 8 vehicles either Skaledale or Oxford, this could be also reintroduced both in freight rolling stock.

 

Also a BR MK3 Sleeper coach could be reintroduced the prices for second hand and old new stock at the moment well I...

 

I know I mentioned before I'd leave my contributions but I forgot to add these to my original suggestions hopes for 2021. 

[Dunsignalling]

12 hours ago, TomScrut said:

 

Well I expect that it is that the TOCs have a livery, with very specific rules on what goes where, and then whatever stock is bought the livery gets applied according to those rules, which sometimes can be like putting na square peg in a round hole. The only time I expect any different is when a rebrand is initiated around a train such as LNER with the Azumas.

The Azuma livery is a breath of fresh air, a glorious change from my above critique. 

 

It really suits the train, much nicer than the funereal GWR green which represents the other extreme and is only rescued from qualifying as camouflage by being excessively glossy.

 

John

[newbryford]

5 hours ago, Covkid said:

If you consider Hornby's ahem battles with other manufacturers, I would say it would be unsurprising. 

 

The class 104 worked over every region of BR except the Southern and carried ;

Green (whiskers)

Green SYP

Some with white roof domes some without

Blue (yellow cab doors)

Blue

Blue and "Blackpool stripes"

Blue and grey (I think one or two cars)

NSE

 

Fifteen two car power+trailer sets (ten ER and five LMR)

Loads of three car sets for both the above as well as some four cars for the ER.  

Plenty of liveries and numbers to go at, but somehow I doubt they will do the 104 unless they plan to revisit the 110 at the same time.

 

O/T from Hornby:

 

Another104 livery: The West Highland "Mexican bean" maroon/white