2021 hopes

[The Johnster]

Please please please Hornby, scrap the Airfix auto trailers and bring out a diagram N to modern hi fi standards.  Pretty please.

 

Waste of time asking, whole thread's a waste of time (but good fun) as whatever they are going to produce has already been decided, and those in the know are smiling smugly.

[Steamport Southport]

8 minutes ago, phil gollin said:

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S.160  -  I do not why there is such enthusiasm as they nearly all just served on the continent, whilst a few worked in the UK on mainlines only in wartime, so even wartime layouts will need several just sitting in a siding to be accurate (maybe an unpowered option).

 

However, if people will buy them then it will be worth Hornby producing them.

 

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400 of them worked in the UK. A bit more than a few. With 400 in storage at Ebbw Junction.

 

The eventual deployment of S160's were:

174 to the Great Western Railway

168 to the London and North Eastern Railway

50 to the London, Midland and Scottish Railway

6 to the Southern Railway

 

So even the SR got them.

 

 

Jason

[scottrains29]

Here's my predictions/wishlist:

 

RailMaster LOCO DETECTION.

We have been waiting sooo long for this it is about time it was finally brought to market. It is the missing link in the RailMaster software. Currently, the RailMaster programming functions are useless without loco detection as the trains never seem to stop in the desired location. It could be used with a new interconnected signalling system. I'd also like to see the Railmaster software significantly upgraded.

 

TTS for class 56, 101, 153, 156, 87, 90, 91. I'd also like them to improve the quality of TTS, eg  better speakers, sound files, functionality etc whilst keeping them affordable. Also move towards 21pin chips and loco sockets.

 

I'd like to see Hornby purchase the class 37 and 47 tooling from Vitrains. Vitrains haven't produced them for some time and it doesn't really fit with their other European products. Hornby, on the other hand, don't have these two bread 'n' butter locos in their range other than the crude ex-lima Railroad models. Hornby could price them to significantly undercut the competition (Bachmann, Accurascale, Heljan) perhaps around the £100 mark. With better glazing, the models are actually quite good.

 

Plasser & Theurer 07-16/08-16 Tampers. These single car units can be seen all over the network. Any size of modern layout could justify having one (or two).

 

PEP type EMUs (313-315, 507/508). I've just started building a 314 kit so it is almost guaranteed Hornby will produce this now!

 

More early (Rocket type) locomotives and rolling stock.

 

HST class 43 Valenta type (main range and/or ex lima Railroad) in GNER livery, with full rake of Mk3s.

HST class 43 with buffers in Virgin livery

 

Class 56 (with rotating fans controlled by mico motor on DCC) Transrail and EWS liveries.

 

Mk4. Retooled coach range and Mk4 DVT. Ideally GNER livery to start with.

 

Mk2f RFB. The missing coach from the Mk2 range. Intercity and Virgin liveries. Also the similar RLO lounge car for the Caledonian sleeper.

 

Mk2d/e The rest of the Northern Belle coaches produced using the better mk2e tooling (not the awful Airfix mk2d) to match the previous mk2e coach pack.

 

Mk3 sleeper. Northern Belle, Royal, Caledonian sleeper liveries. All these models currently go for silly prices  on Ebay. Royal kitchen car too.

 

Mk3 TGS in Virgin Trains livery with the correct silver window frames! This hasn't been produced yet by Hornby.

 

Mk1 BG Northern Belle. Would complement the previous coach packs.

 

MGR weathered wagon packs (newest tooling) at a reduced RRP to compete with the new competition.

 

PCA weathered wagon packs. Not been produced for a while.

 

 

 

 

 

[DutyDruid]

39 minutes ago, MrTea said:

And how many of us can honestly say we’ve NEVER bought something that didn’t fit our chosen era or region (particularly if we liked the look of it)?!

 

Guilty!

 

I have my name down for a Mickey Mouse when they arrive early next year, simply because I like them, but as a modeller specialising in BR(S) South Western Division and SR (ex-LSWR) lines I really can't justify owning one...

[spackz]

We seem to be seeing a lot more collectable stuff coming through. I prefer the everyday working types. Never been right doing these things before, but for me.

 

Most realistic working types:

 

Stanier 3mt 2-6-2T

0-6-0 Southern Q class

Updated Siphon of some sort.

 

What I hope for and have been for years:

 

GCR Class A5 4-6-2T

NE Class B16 

Edited December 10, 2020 by spackz

[Steamport Southport]

46 minutes ago, MrTea said:

That’s true. There probably aren’t many but it does seem like a fairly big gap in the RTR models available given what other models we already have. 
 

And how many of us can honestly say we’ve NEVER bought something that didn’t fit our chosen era or region (particularly if we liked the look of it)?!

 

Come to think of it, how many Hornby purchasers have a set era or region they model?

 

I do. But I have a few set eras and regions.  

 

My reasoning is if you model a GWR station in 1930 then you should have the correct locomotives and stock for that layout. 

 

If you want to run extras when you feel like then what's the problem? Most of us aren't exhibiting our layouts. Most of us aren't going to put random locomotives on the layout if we ever get selected for the Railway Of The Month or whatever they call it in the other magazines.

 

The hobby is meant to be fun, not one for wearing a hairshirt. Unless you want to wear one. Plenty do.

 

I believe that even Little Bytham has had GWR locomotives running around it recently. I don't think anyone is shouting "heresy" from the rooftops.

 

 

 

Jason

[Legend]

2 hours ago, Steamport Southport said:

 

I'll get it in the shops with a cheap issue of the magazine....

 

 

Jason

 A wee bit different this year Jason, just in case you are caught out. You can get Hornby catalogue and Hornby Mag at discounted rate at selected Tesco’s . WH Smith not mentioned. , although they may stock it . Info from this months Hornby Mag

[fiftyfour fiftyfour]

8 hours ago, spamcan61 said:

..but would just mean those of us whose interests span all eras would have two threads to monitor.

But the 95% who don't would cut their reading down by 50%, and you'd increase your reading by 0%. It won't happen as the mod clicked "like" to the one who took the mickey out of the idea and wants to wade through 73 pages of something on the off-chance they find something of interest to them!

[fiftyfour fiftyfour]

21 hours ago, surfsup said:

Does anyone happen to know the date / time when the announcement will be made? 

 

I would certainly like to see more liveries released on the 153 - Wales and West D&C Black / Gold, Heart of Wessex, Heart of Wales (all suitable for the South West and East Midlands) and FGW Local Lines, more "previous" liveries on the HST - GWT Merlin, FGW Fag Packet or FGW Barbie, and a few more realistic looking Skaledale buildings. 

 

I wonder if we will see the Oxford Rail Loco Hauled Mk3s moved across to join the main Hornby range as well - perhaps with a Qc upgrade and much deserved expansion of liveries. 

Some stuff on my wishlist there! They did a Devon and Cornwall Black 153 (and I'm very happy with it) but I feel like we have been short-changed with HSTs, no GWT Merlin or Fag-Pack since Lima and no FGW Barbie has ever been done (apart from the toy that Hornby did using their then 30 year old moulding, and that was 15 years ago).

 

If they did do anything HST wise I'd bet they do the LNER blue/grey farewell (service life; 4 days) or the infernal Midland Pullman (service life at time of writing; 0 days).

[Dunsignalling]

Welcome to the joys of historical modelling.

 

Trouble is, since privatisation, each TOC changes liveries over quite short intervals that often don't align with those in others. Hence "eras" can become quite scarily brief.

 

John

Edited December 6, 2020 by Dunsignalling

[Brocp]

Personally I'd love to see a post war streamlined Duchess, wartime black, cut down tender sides and tender cowling removed. Hornby have never done a version like this (as far as i know) and they ran like this much longer than they did in just wartime black.

 

Also i want to see them do 6253-6255 with their different tender compared to the rest of the class.

 

And surely 6256 in LMS 46 Black is on the cards for this year.

 

Though whatever we get is what he get in the end.

[Ruffnut Thorston]

6 hours ago, newbryford said:

 

Like Hornby did with the Class 58?

 

 

 

And Hornby Dublo did with the Co-Co Diesel, AKA the production Deltic locomotives...

 

Quote

 

mdvle said: 

 

Might be wise to let them finish building the real thing before attempting a model...

 

 

[newbryford]

1 hour ago, fiftyfour fiftyfour said:

 

 

If they did do anything HST wise I'd bet they do the LNER blue/grey farewell (service life; 4 days) or the infernal Midland Pullman (service life at time of writing; 0 days).

 

The Midland Pullman HST sounds like a good bet.

[Steamport Southport]

20 minutes ago, Brocp said:

Personally I'd love to see a post war streamlined Duchess, wartime black, cut down tender sides and tender cowling removed. Hornby have never done a version like this (as far as i know) and they ran like this much longer than they did in just wartime black.

 

Also i want to see them do 6253-6255 with their different tender compared to the rest of the class.

 

And surely 6256 in LMS 46 Black is on the cards for this year.

 

Though whatever we get is what he get in the end.

 

They have with the previous tooling. 

 

46243 City Of Lancaster in plain BR Black with no identity on the tender.

 

 

Jason

[nathan70000]

2 hours ago, Dunsignalling said:

Welcome to the joys of historical modelling.

 

Trouble is, since privatisation, each TOC changes liveries over quite short intervals that often don't align with those in others. Hence "eras" can become quite scarily brief.

 

John

 

Off the top of my head, there have been six "eras" on the ECML since the Class 91s were introduced:

Intercity Swallow: 1991-1997

GNER: 1997-2007

National Express: 2007-2009

East Coast (effectively nationalised): 2009-2015

Virgin Trains: 2015-2018

LNER: 2018-present

 

So if you're modelling the modern day ECML you have to choose your year very carefully! IIRC they were all rebranded very quickly so you wouldn't have seen an East Coast set hanging around in to summer 2016 for instance.

 

[Brocp]

1 hour ago, Steamport Southport said:

 

They have with the previous tooling. 

 

46243 City Of Lancaster in plain BR Black with no identity on the tender.

 

 

Jason

Not with the right tender though

[Steamport Southport]

18 minutes ago, Brocp said:

Not with the right tender though

 

It had a 4000 gallon de streamlined tender. Which is the closest you're going to get unless you build the Comet kit for one.

 

I've got it down as

 

46243 Tender No. 9806 from 1940 so kept the same tender.

 

Welded tender with streamlining removed, high front cut-out, twin water fillers, rear ladder, standard axleboxes.

 

Comet Models reference TK9

 

 

Jason

Edited December 6, 2020 by Steamport Southport

[Covkid]

13 hours ago, Downer said:

I compiled a list a few weeks ago of all the locos/units I would buy if they were produced. There were 17 of them, but sadly only one - the J69 - seems  a reasonable possibility.  What I need most is a Stanier or Fowler 2-6-2T, but they seem too humdrum to interest manufacturers.

 

Prefer the Stanier taper boilered version, but surely way less humdrum that Bachmann's 3F and 4F and the flood of industrials.   

[Brocp]

2 hours ago, Steamport Southport said:

 

It had a 4000 gallon de streamlined tender. Which is the closest you're going to get unless you build the Comet kit for one.

 

I've got it down as

 

46243 Tender No. 9806 from 1940 so kept the same tender.

 

Welded tender with streamlining removed, high front cut-out, twin water fillers, rear ladder, standard axleboxes.

 

Comet Models reference TK9

 

 

Jason

No they've never done one like this. Tender has the side sheets cut down, the cowling over the front of the coal space removed and the side skirts on the bottom of the tank sides/over the chassis. This is the type of tender i want to see on a Hornby wartime black streamliner, as this is how the tenders were during this period.

[Dunsignalling]

7 hours ago, nathan70000 said:

 

Off the top of my head, there have been six "eras" on the ECML since the Class 91s were introduced:

Intercity Swallow: 1991-1997

GNER: 1997-2007

National Express: 2007-2009

East Coast (effectively nationalised): 2009-2015

Virgin Trains: 2015-2018

LNER: 2018-present

 

So if you're modelling the modern day ECML you have to choose your year very carefully! IIRC they were all rebranded very quickly so you wouldn't have seen an East Coast set hanging around in to summer 2016 for instance.

 

And if you also factor in equally quick, but differently timed, livery changes on other passenger sectors/TOCs working over the route, you can probably double that number.

 

Then there's freight.....

 

 John

Edited December 7, 2020 by Dunsignalling

[Dunsignalling]

4 hours ago, Brocp said:

No they've never done one like this. Tender has the side sheets cut down, the cowling over the front of the coal space removed and the side skirts on the bottom of the tank sides/over the chassis. This is the type of tender i want to see on a Hornby wartime black streamliner, as this is how the tenders were during this period.

You'll likely be waiting for as long as we Southern fans have for a 5000 gallon MN tender to enable the remaining third of the rebuilts to be represented at all....

 

John

Edited December 7, 2020 by Dunsignalling

[tomparryharry]

What we might see, is a representation of the HST, done up in that pseudo Pullman livery.  Does look nice, however. Not for me personally (out of my time period ), but it's good to appreciate things like this.

[Brocp]

1 hour ago, Dunsignalling said:

You'll likely be waiting for as long as we Southern fans have for a 5000 gallon MN tender to enable the remaining third of the rebuilts to be represented at all....

 

John

Please don't doom us to the same fate as you! 

[micklner]

14 hours ago, Steamport Southport said:

 

400 of them worked in the UK. A bit more than a few. With 400 in storage at Ebbw Junction.

 

The eventual deployment of S160's were:

174 to the Great Western Railway

168 to the London and North Eastern Railway

50 to the London, Midland and Scottish Railway

6 to the Southern Railway

 

So even the SR got them.

 

 

Jason

Lasted about a year in UK.

 

Cant see it being a big seller. Hornby are driven by £££$$$ nothing else in the real world, otherwise simply not viable option for them.

 

https://www.lner.info/locos/O/s160.php

Edited December 7, 2020 by micklner

[Invicta]

14 hours ago, Steamport Southport said:

 

400 of them worked in the UK. A bit more than a few. With 400 in storage at Ebbw Junction.

 

The eventual deployment of S160's were:

174 to the Great Western Railway

168 to the London and North Eastern Railway

50 to the London, Midland and Scottish Railway

6 to the Southern Railway

 

So even the SR got them.

 

 

Jason

According to lnerinfo.com, the LNER's S160s were distributed between six sheds, across the Great Central, Great Eastern, North-Eastern and Scotland:

 

25 at Woodford 

50 at March

21 at Stratford

25 at Heaton

25 at Neville Hill- these apparently wandered about a fair bit, as far afield as Hitchin and Edinburgh

22 at St. Margarets

 

A quick search found a couple of nice pics of S160s on Warwickshire Railways.com -  one on Nuneaton shed, complete with LMS (6D- Mold Junction) shedplate, and one on a coal train at Hatton on the GWR Banbury-Wolverhampton route

 

OK. so their appearance on UK railways was fairly short-lived, no more than a year in 1943-4, but with 400 spread around the network, it wouldn't be that difficult to justify one if you're modelling that period- You can certainly put me down for one!

 

 

Edited December 7, 2020 by Invicta