RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted January 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 13, 2021 57 minutes ago, Pete the Elaner said: I had a Hornby one many years ago but gave it away. I felt that with fine paper, it smudged the dirt along a little. Coarse paper doesn't stay coarse for very long; it grinds into the first few feet of rail until it gets clogged with dirt...then it is back to smudging the dirt along. I replaced the standard Hornby cleaning pads with thin foam/cleaning pads from (from memory, long time ago) Fleischmann cleaning trucks cut down to fit, worked really well considering the price and a[parent crudity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted January 13, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Pete the Elaner said: I had a Hornby one many years ago but gave it away. I felt that with fine paper, it smudged the dirt along a little. Coarse paper doesn't stay coarse for very long; it grinds into the first few feet of rail until it gets clogged with dirt...then it is back to smudging the dirt along. I have also considered dropping the height of the conductor rail to the same as the running rails. I know this is wrong but would it look wrong? I guess I would only really know if I would be happy with it if I tried it. The conductor rail is also a different colour to running rails; it is a shiny grey colour instead of bright silver...but most NS rail is a gold colour rather than silver anyway. Anyway, this is wandering the topic. For the running lines, I am happy with my CMX. Expensive it may be but it does a good job. Another thing which seems to not get the attention it merits is cleaning track under overhead wires. I had a small depot layout a while back & at a show, many viewers asked me if it was awkward re-railing locos under the wires. I never found this too bad but nobody asked about the awkwardness of cleaning the track, which was much worse, especially around areas where lineside buildings made access even more awkward. My current layout will eventually be re-built as a 1990 version with OLE. It is in a cutting with buildings, platforms, bridges & tunnels. That is a lot of scenery to get in the way. Cleaning with a block would either involve occasional damage or be so fiddly that I would never bother running the layout, which defeats the object of having one. A track rubber on a long stick is the simple answer, although I have also one of the roller wagons, one of the Piko wagons and a wagon with a pair of graphite sticks. Between them all it seems to keep stuff moving quite happily. Andi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelrow Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 If it is really track cleaning, then to my mind, nothing beats CMX. However, if is debris, dirt, dust on track, nothing beats the Dapol in its Hoovering mode. Its amazing, what it picks up. I have both DC and DCC ones. Other than that, use rough side of a piece of hardboard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Bird Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 I've read all the comments on here with interest. I have had a Dapol track cleaner for a long time but it has had little use because I've been too busy with various projects and haven't run the layout much. The track has been manually cleaned but I decided today to run the track cleaner. Without any of the attachments fitted, the motor ran when current was applied. As soon as I fitted the felt head, the motor only ran in fits and starts and then stopped altogether. I've come to the conclusion that it was a waste of money. The old Triang one did a better job. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisr40 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Very pleased with my Ten Commandments track cleaner. Even without cleaning fluid it does a great job. Currently running it with the Dapol cleaner in vacuum mode and you can hear it is cleaning the track because the Dapol vacuum is now having no trouble picking up power which can be a problem with it on even slightly mucky track. Chris 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete smith Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 50 years ago Peco introduced the ( expensive ) track rubber. Great on Triang steel track but far too coarse for their own track. I use Lion brand or Garryflex blocks available in different grades as they are easier to hold, last a lifetime so your next 2 generations will still be using them. They are brill! Use the blue and extra fine grades. I also have the Dapol which gets into the tunnel, “ underground “ storage and parts that I can no longer get to. The supplied fluid cleans the track but takes at least a week to evaporate and still leaves a residue. DO NOT USE with rubber tyres. Now how do I know that? The loco just wheelspins and loses tyres. If you use the abrasive pads supplied they catch the Peco point actuating pins and derail in the most awkward part of my layout. I have recently invested in 5 axle hung cleaners to clip to the axles of toads and coaches and so far so good . 10 laps collected a black stain on the lily white pads. I also use 40 year old Relco continuously and would not be without it . I do turn it off when leaning on the track else you get a nice surprise but at least you know it works. pete 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Von Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 I have the Gaugemaster AC equivalent but am unsure if I can use it with my Fleischman DC controller..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 6 hours ago, Pete smith said: 50 years ago Peco introduced the ( expensive ) track rubber. Great on Triang steel track but far too coarse for their own track. That is a common held belief but not backed up with any evidence so somebody from this forum (I can't remember who) uploaded a video to youtube: They viewed the top surface of a brand new rail with a microscope. It was full of tiny scratches in random directions. They then gave it a good, long scrub with a Peco track cleaning block & again viewed the rail surface with a microscope. It was marginally shinier but the random scratches were still there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinofLoxley Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 11 hours ago, Pete the Elaner said: That is a common held belief but not backed up with any evidence so somebody from this forum (I can't remember who) uploaded a video to youtube: They viewed the top surface of a brand new rail with a microscope. It was full of tiny scratches in random directions. They then gave it a good, long scrub with a Peco track cleaning block & again viewed the rail surface with a microscope. It was marginally shinier but the random scratches were still there. Question of force on surface area amongst other things. As the surface gets smoother, it will resist further abrasion leaving the valleys of the scratches untouched. When I came back to the hobby after a 20 year break, I cleaned all the track with a rubber. The colour was really dark to start with and the test loco (Bachmann 56xx) wouldnt run at all. Following this polishing activity, wouldn't call it cleaning as technically the track was oxidised not dirty, the loco ran normally. So track was restored to conductive by that method, now keeping it that way would need other techniques. Not convinced at all for the explanation of arcing but thats for another day..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted December 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 21, 2021 What is the best fluid for track cleaning track magic, meths or rubbing alcohol (ipa)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravensdmufan Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, russ p said: What is the best fluid for track cleaning track magic, meths or rubbing alcohol (ipa)? Lighter fuel or WD40 Contact Cleaner (NOT normal WD40). Both are non polar. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamThomas Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 On 10/12/2020 at 17:18, johnd said: I remember that one corrugated sides, a felt pad like the 4 wheel coach and painted black! That's the one - also available in red. Based on the Transcontinental Series box car. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamThomas Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 The Gaugemaster wagon is a re-badged Piko one which is in turn very similar to the Rococlean wagon - the pads are interchangeable. Best way to use either of them is to remove the springs & let the weight of the pads themselves do the work & in this way they do not require mega-haulage to move them. Very few "track cleaning" wagons will clean dirty track, but they will help to keep clean track clean as will those felt axel hung pads. The LUX powered unit** with the vacuum car is a pretty effective solution albeit very expensive. ** The powered roller can vary from fairly abrasive through to felt pad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted December 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 22, 2021 11 hours ago, cravensdmufan said: Lighter fuel or WD40 Contact Cleaner (NOT normal WD40). Is the wd40 best sprayed directly onto the track or sprayed on a pad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravensdmufan Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 26 minutes ago, russ p said: Is the wd40 best sprayed directly onto the track or sprayed on a pad On a pad Russ. I usually wrap a lint free cloth a few times round my index finger and spray a tiny bit on that. Work quite quickly because it evaporates fast. The can has a useful fold up tube attached to it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted December 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 22, 2021 9 hours ago, SamThomas said: The Gaugemaster wagon is a re-badged Piko one which is in turn very similar to the Rococlean wagon - the pads are interchangeable. Best way to use either of them is to remove the springs & let the weight of the pads themselves do the work & in this way they do not require mega-haulage to move them. Very few "track cleaning" wagons will clean dirty track, but they will help to keep clean track clean as will those felt axel hung pads. The LUX powered unit** with the vacuum car is a pretty effective solution albeit very expensive. ** The powered roller can vary from fairly abrasive through to felt pad. That’s the one I use, just as it is but as you say it needs a big Loco to haul it, I usually use it dry but occasionally soak some Track Magic into the pad which then picks up much more “black grime” but I have certainly NEVER experienced the slipping issue after using Track Magic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamThomas Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 1 hour ago, boxbrownie said: That’s the one I use, just as it is but as you say it needs a big Loco to haul it, I usually use it dry but occasionally soak some Track Magic into the pad which then picks up much more “black grime” but I have certainly NEVER experienced the slipping issue after using Track Magic. I used to be a commited "nothing on the track" person until I tried Track Magic. For me, it works very well indeed, it does take a while to take full effect but I find you need to use it very sparingly - as if you cannot get any more ! I also use it on contact wipers. Track cleaning/keeping clean is a very "personal" subject - what works for one does not work for another. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted December 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 22, 2021 1 hour ago, SamThomas said: I used to be a commited "nothing on the track" person until I tried Track Magic. For me, it works very well indeed, it does take a while to take full effect but I find you need to use it very sparingly - as if you cannot get any more ! I also use it on contact wipers. Track cleaning/keeping clean is a very "personal" subject - what works for one does not work for another. I have noticed that Track Magic smells very much like a lighter fluid or some such, but it is more viscous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamThomas Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 50 minutes ago, boxbrownie said: I have noticed that Track Magic smells very much like a lighter fluid or some such, but it is more viscous. AFAIK it was developed from an aerospace product used for electrical contacts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinofLoxley Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 5 hours ago, cravensdmufan said: On a pad Russ. I usually wrap a lint free cloth a few times round my index finger and spray a tiny bit on that. Work quite quickly because it evaporates fast. The can has a useful fold up tube attached to it. Your body heat is accelerating the evaporation. 53 minutes ago, SamThomas said: AFAIK it was developed from an aerospace product used for electrical contacts. Not everything in Aerospace is perfect, ask the Federal Aviation Authority Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamThomas Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 2 hours ago, RobinofLoxley said: Not everything in Aerospace is perfect, ask the Federal Aviation Authority I never said everything in the aerospace industry was perfect, just where the product origininated from. Now, where did I put my hair splitter. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted December 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 22, 2021 3 hours ago, SamThomas said: AFAIK it was developed from an aerospace product used for electrical contacts. What do you think they light the rockets with? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted December 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, RobinofLoxley said: Your body heat is accelerating the evaporation. Not everything in Aerospace is perfect, ask the Federal Aviation Authority The FAA wouldn’t know Wilber Wright’s string bag from a 737-800…… Now the CAA those I would trust Edited December 22, 2021 by boxbrownie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted December 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 22, 2021 11 hours ago, cravensdmufan said: On a pad Russ. I usually wrap a lint free cloth a few times round my index finger and spray a tiny bit on that. Work quite quickly because it evaporates fast. The can has a useful fold up tube attached to it. I got some wd40 contact cleaner and seems to work a treat Cheers for the tip 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
locomad2 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 13 hours ago, SamThomas said: I used to be a commited "nothing on the track" person until I tried Track Magic. For me, it works very well indeed, it does take a while to take full effect but I find you need to use it very sparingly - as if you cannot get any more ! I also use it on contact wipers. Track cleaning/keeping clean is a very "personal" subject - what works for one does not work for another. Exactly the same happened to us, currently on 7th layout (75 yards of OO track) having had a layouts for over 50 years. So gone though all the track cleaning "solutions", track cleaning wagons, rubbers, HF cleaners, wet & dry etc etc. Each layout got bigger more time spent cleaning track. Track magic worked, providing track was clean at first, plus other stuff flat, live frogs, good connections etc etc. Then somehow misslay the bottle, then told that "ATF" "Automatic Transmission Fluid was just as good, stuff found in car power steering so tried that. And it works, its available, cheap, you only need a dab, trackcleaning almost a thing of the past and everything seems to work better 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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