RMweb Gold TravisM Posted December 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 7, 2020 After a long break, change of scales (N to OO) as well as working on my portable Heckington layout set in 2018/19, my interest in the S&C was rejuvenated after I bought a Hornby Clan, 72008. I know it was based at Carlisle Kingmoor and ran over the S&C, but I was wondering what other steam depot’s in the mid 60’s, would have supplied loco’s to run over the line? The obvious one (to me) would be Holbeck but I’ve looked through the books, loads of wonderful pictures but apart from a few, most never say where their allocated. I’m pretty sure that Birkenhead supplied 9f’s for the Anhydrite workings but I’m lost on the others. Any help would be most welcome. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 (edited) 9F's for the Anhydrite workings mostlycame from Speke Junction, just up the line from Widnes, where the trains went to (USAC - United Sulphuric Acid Corporation). More info https://www.cementkilns.co.uk/cement_kiln_widnes.html Carlisle Kingmoor locos would be regular, as well as locos from other Yorkshire / Lancashire sheds. Springs Branch (Wigan) shed locos were regulars. Some Springs Branch drivers signed the route. Brit15 Edited December 7, 2020 by APOLLO 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Smeeton Posted December 8, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 8, 2020 There is Br Database |: https://www.brdatabase.info/ so if you can see the loco no, you can look it up using the 'Quick search' box. also http://shedbashuk.blogspot.com/ which I find useful, because it shows the specific locos on shed along with their allocations, so by checking out a particular shed, the 'foreign' locos can be seen, giving a rough idea where traffic may have originated. Hope that this helps. Regards Ian 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) On 07/12/2020 at 14:35, APOLLO said: 9F's for the Anhydrite workings mostlycame from Speke Junction, just up the line from Widnes, where the trains went to (USAC - United Sulphuric Acid Corporation). Carlisle Kingmoor locos would be regular, as well as locos from other Yorkshire / Lancashire sheds. Springs Branch (Wigan) shed locos were regulars. Some Springs Branch drivers signed the route. In the April 1999 edition of ‘Steam Days’, there’s an article titled “Firing the ‘Long Meg’”, based on an interview with a former Kingmoor fireman, about the working of the anhydrite trains on the northern part of their route, as far as Blea Moor. There are photographs of both southbound loads and northbound empties. 11 9Fs are mentioned, either in the text or in photo captions. 9 are Kingmoor engines. One may have been a Speke Junction engine, but is mentioned as being used in the month in which it was transferred from there to Kingmoor. The only definitely ‘foreign’ 9F is 92239 of York shed, photographed in July 1966. Engines of other classes mentioned as being used on these trains in the time covered by the article are 8Fs from Newton Heath and Holbeck, and a Kingmoor Britannia(!!). Edited December 8, 2020 by pH Spelling. (Me, not autocorrect!) 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted December 9, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Ian Smeeton said: There is Br Database |: https://www.brdatabase.info/ so if you can see the loco no, you can look it up using the 'Quick search' box. also http://shedbashuk.blogspot.com/ which I find useful, because it shows the specific locos on shed along with their allocations, so by checking out a particular shed, the 'foreign' locos can be seen, giving a rough idea where traffic may have originated. Hope that this helps. Regards Ian Thanks Ian, I’m looking through my S&C books and noting the loco, then cross referencing it with the two websites you mentioned. A bit of a slog but getting there. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold sjp23480 Posted December 12, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) Jools, if you go to further down the list of topics in this forum you will find a reference to my database of locos captured in photos on the S&C (which can be downloaded as a spreadsheet) and the rather excellent site put together by Steve Rabone. Not sure if this serves your purpose? It doesn't list the sheds as you originally requested but you can cross reference with the aforementioned sites if you want to take a deeper dive. Steve Edited December 12, 2020 by sjp23480 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 On 07/12/2020 at 22:04, jools1959 said: but I was wondering what other steam depot’s in the mid 60’s, would have supplied loco’s to run over the line? Mannigham, Skipton and Hellifield strike me as immediate prospects. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Thinking about it Stourton and Farnley Junction in Leeds are possible too. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted March 3 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 3 On 09/12/2020 at 00:11, pH said: In the April 1999 edition of ‘Steam Days’, there’s an article titled “Firing the ‘Long Meg’”, based on an interview with a former Kingmoor fireman, about the working of the anhydrite trains on the northern part of their route, as far as Blea Moor. There are photographs of both southbound loads and northbound empties. 11 9Fs are mentioned, either in the text or in photo captions. 9 are Kingmoor engines. One may have been a Speke Junction engine, but is mentioned as being used in the month in which it was transferred from there to Kingmoor. The only definitely ‘foreign’ 9F is 92239 of York shed, photographed in July 1966. Engines of other classes mentioned as being used on these trains in the time covered by the article are 8Fs from Newton Heath and Holbeck, and a Kingmoor Britannia(!!). The Long Meg workings were shared between Kingmoor and Widnes and certainly by 1966 crews would swap at Blea Moor. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac1960 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) Some further afield with Bescott 9F with mechanical stokers on the Bescott Carlisle freight via Leeds coming to mind. Also some Tinsley and Healy Mills freights which would be Tinsley and Wakefield, and possibly Mirfield Normanton Royston if steam operated. Quite a few Yorkshire sheds contributed to the traction available. For example some Jubilee locomotives from Farnley making the occasional trip to Carlisle. Also Bolton had trips over the S&C as I have a photo of their 48773 in 67 and other Manchester sheds. There are also pictures of A1,s on freight which were York based at the time as a totally left field occurrence. Also I have seen late video by Gavin Morrison of a Crab in autumn 1967 which would probably be Birkenhead based at the time. So quite a wide spread to choose from which is one of the things I liked about the S&C back then. Cheers Mac Edited March 18 by mac1960 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durranhill Posted Wednesday at 19:41 Share Posted Wednesday at 19:41 (edited) A friend of mine who is sadly no longer with us worked as a fireman then passed fireman out of Saltley depot over the S&C to Carlisle , he said it was the longest freight turn in the country with the same crew. David transfered from Carlisle Kingmoor to Saltley as promotion up to driving was faster , loco's he mentioned were Crab , Black 5 & 9F of which the mechanical stoker fitted ones had a habit of running short of coal , he said that loco would be serviced at Durranhill shed even though it was closed before the next turn down south . Stewart . Edited Wednesday at 19:42 by Durranhill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted yesterday at 06:03 RMweb Premium Share Posted yesterday at 06:03 10 hours ago, Durranhill said: A friend of mine who is sadly no longer with us worked as a fireman then passed fireman out of Saltley depot over the S&C to Carlisle , he said it was the longest freight turn in the country with the same crew. David transfered from Carlisle Kingmoor to Saltley as promotion up to driving was faster , loco's he mentioned were Crab , Black 5 & 9F of which the mechanical stoker fitted ones had a habit of running short of coal , he said that loco would be serviced at Durranhill shed even though it was closed before the next turn down south . Stewart . Believe that Terry Essery famously hand fired one of the stoker fitted 9F's on that turn. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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