Steamport Southport Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 1 hour ago, BernardTPM said: Yes, quite a few came back later, but for a while the range really shrank (even more than I remembered). The 6th & 7th edition catalogues (1969, 1970) only list the Mineral wagon and Esso Tank wagon. The 1968 price list lists those two plus Prestwin Silo wagon and Lowmac, though with a note that they were not illustrated, and the Refrigerator van was 'out of production'. The Meat van was on the 1967 list. Obviously the tools must have been kept as Dapol have been rerunning almost the whole range. The only Airfix rolling stock item they haven't reintroduced are the set of Airfix hornhook couplings. I think the only other thing that Dapol don't currently make that Airfix released (including Kitmaster reissues) is the J94. I believe the tooling is too far gone for any more. Pity really. I reckon they would be pretty useful. I know they made a few in the 1980s, but they haven't been available for years. http://www.airfixrailways.co.uk/J94.htm Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Moxy Posted December 13, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 13, 2020 5 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: I think the only other thing that Dapol don't currently make that Airfix released (including Kitmaster reissues) is the J94. I believe the tooling is too far gone for any more. Pity really. I reckon they would be pretty useful. I know they made a few in the 1980s, but they haven't been available for years. http://www.airfixrailways.co.uk/J94.htm Jason I agree it would be useful, but that's one kit that's not coming back. The tooling was not just damaged it was destroyed in the Winsford factory fire just before Dapol moved to Chirk. There's a link to a discussion about it here. I think we're drifting a bit off the topic of meat vans though, it's time to give Mallard60022 his thread back. Moxy 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted December 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 13, 2020 6 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: I think the only other thing that Dapol don't currently make that Airfix released (including Kitmaster reissues) is the J94. I believe the tooling is too far gone for any more. Pity really. I reckon they would be pretty useful. I know they made a few in the 1980s, but they haven't been available for years. http://www.airfixrailways.co.uk/J94.htm Jason In reality, Dapol are flogging something of a dead horse, in my experience, all the current re-releases suffer from poor mould quality, crisp edges lost etc, in the case of the meat van, the gap between the axlebox and tiebar has healed up on one side amongst other issues, and that's before we mention the strange plastic they use. It's more noticeable when comparing current efforts to Airfix originals. Mike. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Yes, I was really referring to the wagons rather than locos (like all but the Drewry and Railbus, the J94 was Rosebud Kitmaster in origin). One possible advantage of having the Dapol versions available may be slightly suppressing the price of the Airfix made kits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 The wagons, Drewry and Railbus all began with Airfix. Kitmaster did the J94, Rocket and all the other locos, plus of course the Mk1 coaches and Midland Pullman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted December 13, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 13, 2020 14 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: They have reasonable metal wheels, the same ones the normal wagons have I believe and NEM tension lock couplings (for those that use them). I don't know why people are paying £9 though. Only £5.46 at Hattons. Some of the others are £6.60. https://www.hattons.co.uk/34856/dapol_c041_10t_ventilated_meat_van_wagon_plastic_kit/stockdetail.aspx You can see the wheels in this one. https://www.hattons.co.uk/34853/dapol_c038_br_brake_van_wagon_plastic_kit/stockdetail.aspx Jason Apologies ; I had 4 and the postage confused me...easily done theses days. They were just over £6.00 each, from a very small supplier, as I like to find and support them even if its costs a little more. £3.00 postage. P 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 14 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: They have reasonable metal wheels, the same ones the normal wagons have I believe and NEM tension lock couplings (for those that use them). I don't know why people are paying £9 though. Only £5.46 at Hattons. Some of the others are £6.60. https://www.hattons.co.uk/34856/dapol_c041_10t_ventilated_meat_van_wagon_plastic_kit/stockdetail.aspx You can see the wheels in this one. https://www.hattons.co.uk/34853/dapol_c038_br_brake_van_wagon_plastic_kit/stockdetail.aspx Jason Plus £2.75 P&P. Swings and roundabouts? e.g. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dapol-Kitmaster-Meat-Van-Kit-OO-Gauge-DAC041/401630907057?epid=2255980428&hash=item5d83114ab1:g:ZY4AAOSwn91b41te £6.95 including delivery. But good to know they have metal wheels. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted December 13, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 13, 2020 8 hours ago, Moxy said: I agree it would be useful, but that's one kit that's not coming back. The tooling was not just damaged it was destroyed in the Winsford factory fire just before Dapol moved to Chirk. There's a link to a discussion about it here. I think we're drifting a bit off the topic of meat vans though, it's time to give Mallard60022 his thread back. Moxy Thanks matey. I don't care if the discussion gives folks something to chat about on this miserable Sunday (well it is wet and dull grey here in 36E. I have learned a lot and it is fun to hear about the 'history' and some details I had never known. I seem to remember those Kitmaster Coaches were a good version back then; don't think I ever got one as they were a bit expensive for a poor lad in a poor household. I craved the Deltic! I still have the Pug and the J94 I made in the late 60s and a few others (Schools, WR 2.6.2, 9F, West Country) I made in the early 70s I think once I had started work. Was there a Crocodile or am I imagining that? My meaty vans have lovely crisp mouldings; maybe because the Meat Van wasn't produced so often? I found the wheels a tad large compared to the usual Gibson 12mm I use; more like Dapol Wagon/Van Wheels which isn't surprising is it. Good quality though, unless you are really fussed about dead accuracy. IMO these are good little kits to (say) do with a grandchild if they were interested, as it won't matter too much if the glue gets spread around a bit or it is a bit wonky. It is certainly something I would be excited about if I were older. in a Care Home, possibly with Dementia, and a decent OT found out I liked building railway things. Phi 4 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJCT Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mallard60022 said: Was there a Crocodile or am I imagining that? Yes indeed - see http://www.kitmaster.org.uk/SwissCroc.htm - I've got one on my display shelf - but I don't believe it was ever re-released by Airfix (or Dapol). HTH. Alasdair 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 17 minutes ago, KeithMacdonald said: Plus £2.75 P&P. Swings and roundabouts? e.g. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dapol-Kitmaster-Meat-Van-Kit-OO-Gauge-DAC041/401630907057?epid=2255980428&hash=item5d83114ab1:g:ZY4AAOSwn91b41te £6.95 including delivery. But good to know they have metal wheels. TBH I hardly ever pay postage on things from the big suppliers. I normally add things like these to the parcel when I'm buying something bigger. Sometimes using them to knock the price up to the free P&P threshold. Quite a few of them have got deals on free postage at the moment some for as little as £30 to £50. TMC for example. That "Trunk" thing that Hattons is doing is very good for that. You add things to the trunk and when you go over the postage threshold you then get it delivered for free! I've always wanted the Slaters version. I stopped modelling in O Gauge a few years back but I like the look of it. Might get one some day. https://www.slatersplastikard.com/linePage.php?code=7065 Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted December 13, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 13, 2020 What? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted December 13, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 13, 2020 Oh the memories....I had totally forgotten the Duchess and the Pullman. https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=SpXKRoL2&id=91B8FE8D95E7DF82852D6D807269114D0D1E87B2&thid=OIP.SpXKRoL2xUc4e-3uE7bqQAHaCy&mediaurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kitmaster.org.uk%2FCatArtA.jpg&exph=445&expw=1184&q=kitmaster+original+kits&simid=608040148398704769&ck=B614EBC6B852F37289357154A186A5F2&selectedindex=97&form=IRPRST&idpp=overlayview&ajaxhist=0&vt=0&sim=11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Mallard60022 said: Thanks matey. I don't care if the discussion gives folks something to chat about on this miserable Sunday (well it is wet and dull grey here in 36E. I have learned a lot and it is fun to hear about the 'history' and some details I had never known. I seem to remember those Kitmaster Coaches were a good version back then; don't think I ever got one as they were a bit expensive for a poor lad in a poor household. I craved the Deltic! I still have the Pug and the J94 I made in the late 60s and a few others (Schools, WR 2.6.2, 9F, West Country) I made in the early 70s I think once I had started work. Was there a Crocodile or am I imagining that? My meaty vans have lovely crisp mouldings; maybe because the Meat Van wasn't produced so often? I found the wheels a tad large compared to the usual Gibson 12mm I use; more like Dapol Wagon/Van Wheels which isn't surprising is it. Good quality though, unless you are really fussed about dead accuracy. IMO these are good little kits to (say) do with a grandchild if they were interested, as it won't matter too much if the glue gets spread around a bit or it is a bit wonky. It is certainly something I would be excited about if I were older. in a Care Home, possibly with Dementia, and a decent OT found out I liked building railway things. Phi Are the Gibson wheels under sized? Should be the scale equivalent of 1.5inches larger, wagon wheels are not 3ft. I asked about the wheels because they were the awful part of the Airfix kit. Two none too round mouldings of a 3 hole wheel held together by a male/female joint. Slowly we realised that some sleeving from a suitable electric wire could hold them a little more squarely but basically they didn't work. Triang wheels weren't a lot better then! Paul 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 48 minutes ago, Mallard60022 said: What? One of the models that never appeared before they went under. There was also an LNER A3 and others planned. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 My memory of discussion in the early 1960s was that this was expensive technology and a suggestion that a million of a wagon kit would need to be sold to make a return. I looked up an inflation time line and 10p (2 shillings) in 1960 is less than £2 now. So admittedly they are now sold in boxes (the early models were in hanging plastic bags) and have decent wheels they are expensive. Airfix kits were very affordable - IIRC Kitmasters a bit more expensive (they didn't sell through Woolies so I never bought any of them). Even their biggest kits - the Lancaster bomber, car carrying aircraft etc. were only 7/6 and quite affordable in comparison for example with Dinky toy road vehicles. Paul 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham456 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Going back to Dapol Meat Vans........BUT not as you know it ! I found in a junk shop in seaton last year pre lock down. a Dapol Meat Van, not the kit version But a RTR version, which at least lacks the chunky hinges in the one piece body moulding and blends in quite well with my kit versions the question is why did Dapol have such a short run in makeing this model RTR ? Dapol usually churn things out for ever ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 54 minutes ago, hmrspaul said: My memory of discussion in the early 1960s was that this was expensive technology and a suggestion that a million of a wagon kit would need to be sold to make a return. I looked up an inflation time line and 10p (2 shillings) in 1960 is less than £2 now. So admittedly they are now sold in boxes (the early models were in hanging plastic bags) and have decent wheels they are expensive. Airfix kits were very affordable - IIRC Kitmasters a bit more expensive (they didn't sell through Woolies so I never bought any of them). Even their biggest kits - the Lancaster bomber, car carrying aircraft etc. were only 7/6 and quite affordable in comparison for example with Dinky toy road vehicles. Paul I think the current prices are reasonable. I recently bought a few of the reissues of the old Airfix kits and they are a similar price. Obviously not as sophisticated as modern Airfix or the likes of Tamiya. But they are aimed at the nostalgia market. https://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklist/1000429/1000588/1000721/0/airfix_oo_gauge_1_76_scale_military_ground_vehicles/prodlist.aspx As an example the AEC Matador which was quite sought after by railway modellers for conversions. £5.50 at Hattons. Got one the other week. Good quality plastic with no flash. https://www.hattons.co.uk/368145/airfix_a01314v_aec_matador_and_5_5_inch_gun_airfix_classics_range_plastic_kit/stockdetail.aspx Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted December 13, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 13, 2020 2 hours ago, hmrspaul said: Are the Gibson wheels under sized? Should be the scale equivalent of 1.5inches larger, wagon wheels are not 3ft. I asked about the wheels because they were the awful part of the Airfix kit. Two none too round mouldings of a 3 hole wheel held together by a male/female joint. Slowly we realised that some sleeving from a suitable electric wire could hold them a little more squarely but basically they didn't work. Triang wheels weren't a lot better then! Paul Well Paul, I think the ones that come with the Parkside kits are Gibsons and 12mm but could be wrong and they may be 12and a tad mm, and they are an acceptable size for me; can't comment but I find Hornby and Bachman ones are a bit too chunky looking, but that's just me as well (not chunky....fussy!) hardly ever get a wobbler either! 56 minutes ago, Graham456 said: Going back to Dapol Meat Vans........BUT not as you know it ! I found in a junk shop in seaton last year pre lock down. a Dapol Meat Van, not the kit version But a RTR version, which at least lacks the chunky hinges in the one piece body moulding and blends in quite well with my kit versions the question is why did Dapol have such a short run in makeing this model RTR ? Dapol usually churn things out for ever ? What was the 'Catalogue' number for that Graham? Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted December 13, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 13, 2020 11 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: I think the current prices are reasonable. I recently bought a few of the reissues of the old Airfix kits and they are a similar price. Obviously not as sophisticated as modern Airfix or the likes of Tamiya. But they are aimed at the nostalgia market. https://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklist/1000429/1000588/1000721/0/airfix_oo_gauge_1_76_scale_military_ground_vehicles/prodlist.aspx As an example the AEC Matador which was quite sought after by railway modellers for conversions. £5.50 at Hattons. Got one the other week. Good quality plastic with no flash. https://www.hattons.co.uk/368145/airfix_a01314v_aec_matador_and_5_5_inch_gun_airfix_classics_range_plastic_kit/stockdetail.aspx Jason Thanks Jason; I could stick the Gun on a Warwell, maybe or give to a mate that loves Military Guns? AS for the other plastic kits, especially aircraft, I have to really work hard to not start buying that sort of thing. After seeing the outstanding work of some people on RMW, when it comes to Aircraft Kit building, I need to resist as I could not hope to come near to either their patience or their finishing skills. Phil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted December 13, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Graham456 said: Going back to Dapol Meat Vans........BUT not as you know it ! I found in a junk shop in seaton last year pre lock down. a Dapol Meat Van, not the kit version But a RTR version, which at least lacks the chunky hinges in the one piece body moulding and blends in quite well with my kit versions the question is why did Dapol have such a short run in makeing this model RTR ? Dapol usually churn things out for ever ? I've got one of those, and also a few of the ordinary BR Vanfits that Dapol did at the time, both planked and plywood sided versions. I think there was a change of management/ownership(?) at Dapol, following which they no longer produced those models. After little while Bachmann introduced their own different models of the standard Vanfits (and Parkside also make kits of them), but the Meat Van has not been done again in RTR form. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham456 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Mallard60022 said: What was the 'Catalogue' number for that Graham? Phil Sorry but it was unboxed,! i did find it on the net just after I bought it but I have had a year to forget ! Helpful I know 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham456 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 A search back has found your answer on a very useful site called rmweb ! Steamport Southport posted Posted March 30, 2019 Never heard or seen one of these. Quick look in Ramsay's says... 1985 by Dapol. Only three types made and two of them are fictional. B26 B870074 1985 B180 B670006 1989 B102 LMS 173127 date unknown Went to Hornby 1996. But problems with the tooling meant they only made two further batches. Very short run of about 1000 each. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Ooops. I forgot those things had been covered before. I do remember I got the info from the Ramsay Guide to British Model Trains by Pat Hammond. Pretty useful books and good for an occasional browse. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5050 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 All the info you'll ever need on Kitmaster and Airfix in here - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lets-Stick-Little-Bit-More/dp/1906919496 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 4 hours ago, 5050 said: All the info you'll ever need on Kitmaster and Airfix in here - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lets-Stick-Little-Bit-More/dp/1906919496 It's getting a copy though. Rare as hens teeth. I did track down a copy at the library so have had a look at it. Liverpool Central Library if anyone is local. This was the original version which has about half the amount of pages and that goes for over £30! https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lets-Stick-Together-Steven-Knight/dp/1871608902/ref=sr_1_25?dchild=1&qid=1607971257&refinements=p_27%3ASteven+Knight&s=books&sr=1-25&text=Steven+Knight Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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