soony Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 (edited) Take a look at this Ebay image :- https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hesketh-Park-Railway-Station-Photo-Southport-Churchtown-L-YR-1/263940188485?hash=item3d740fa945:g:IWYAAOSw7bpbngSE Was it some form of insulation trials? ( NOTE not my image ) Having now trawled thru Google for 44756 it seems to have been like that for some years - take a look at https://railphotoprints.uk/p883082520/hF3D06DC#hf3d06dc Edited December 15, 2020 by soony updated info- 2nd edit -more info added Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 They look bigger 'cos they go further - within sight, anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 (edited) They are Caprotti versions. Part of the experiments before building the BR Standards. Details here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BR_Caprotti_Black_Fives Notice how this type looks very like a BR 5MT. Ben Brooksbank via Wiki Jason Edited December 15, 2020 by Steamport Southport 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 (edited) The 44738-57 batch were sometimes called ‘gorillas’ because of their head-on appearance. Edited December 16, 2020 by pH 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Never heard that one before. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 15 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: Never heard that one before. I first heard of it being used around Gloucester for the Holbeck ones. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCB Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Thanks heaven the BR design team decided to use the pre war German styling on their standards instead of perpetuating the awful "lack of" style Crewe used in the dying days of the LMS. Couple of decent cures to the running plate, bit of style, maybe some names and the blokes might have taken to them better. Contemporary reports suggests the drivers were reluctant to open them up due to the very loud exhaust bark making them appear sluggish whereas in fact correctly handled they were both strong and fast . Maybe they should have fitted inside Stephensons gear instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted December 16, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 16, 2020 Not that I know much about steam engines, but, pedantically, aren't these BR not LMS locomotives, as they were built by BR in 1948? Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 One correction: they aren't exhaust pipes. They are the main steam pipes feeding live steam IN to the steam chests, and onwards to the cylinders. The exhaust passed via branch pipes through the frames and smokebox saddle in the normal way. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 5 hours ago, DavidCBroad said: Maybe they should have fitted inside Stephensons gear instead. Now that's nothing something to endear them to the men! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim.snowdon Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 17 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: They are Caprotti versions. Part of the experiments before building the BR Standards. But LMS/Ivatt experiments, and although BR did build some standard locos with Caprotti valvegear, they came quite a bit later in the whole process, BR having chosen straightforward Walschaerts gear as standard. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 8 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Not that I know much about steam engines, but, pedantically, aren't these BR not LMS locomotives, as they were built by BR in 1948? Mike. It does say that on the Wiki page title. But designed by Ivatt for the LMS. Eventually I want the Comet kit of the low running plate version. At least the valve gear looks simpler... https://www.wizardmodels.ltd/shop/locomotive/lms-ivatt-caprotti-class-5-4-6-0-kit-lk14/ Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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