eldomtom2 Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 9 hours ago, Dunsignalling said: Why on earth did they decide to do Winston Churchill in BR green for a third time, fourth if you include the original Tri-ang one? I presume the logic has something to do with the retooled luggage van. 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 12, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2021 (edited) 49 minutes ago, eldomtom2 said: I presume the logic has something to do with the retooled luggage van. That's the only thing I could think of, but IIRC, the Churchill train pack (R.3300 *) hung about for ages, so it may be risky. I'd think a fair few sales of the Pullman Hearse Van will go to buyers of the train pack to replace the old one with something on a par with the rest of it anyway. The last of those packs were cleared out cheap, and quite a few were flogged on for whatever they'd make after the loco had been removed. I'd have probably had one to rename the loco, but I didn't need any more Pullmans. I have one of the original issue locos (R.2385), which appears the same as the one in the train pack. John Edit: * I've just done couple of searches and there are still a few of these kicking about, ranging from a reasonable £223 to a ludicrous £501 by some would-be opportunist.... Edited January 12, 2021 by Dunsignalling Addition 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted January 12, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Dunsignalling said: That's the only thing I could think of, but IIRC, the Churchill train pack (R.3300 *) hung about for ages, so it may be risky. I'd think a fair few sales of the Pullman Hearse Van will go to buyers of the train pack to replace the old one with something on a par with the rest of it anyway. The last of those packs were cleared out cheap, and quite a few were flogged on for whatever they'd make after the loco had been removed. I'd have probably had one to rename the loco, but I didn't need any more Pullmans. I have one of the original issue locos (R.2385), which appears the same as the one in the train pack. John Edit: * I've just done couple of searches and there are still a few of these kicking about, ranging from a reasonable £223 to a ludicrous £501 by some would-be opportunist.... Hornby hasn’t as far as I am aware failed to sell out any streamlined WC or BB using the current tooling quite quickly. I wouldn’t be surprised the Churchill Pack hung around because of the Pullmans and the Hearse Van. When released there were still lots of equivalent Pullmans available separately and that Hearse Van...enough said. I eventually managed to buy the loco separately and the pricing of the coaches was obviously competitive enough for people wanting just Pullmans to buy all the coaches. So I don’t doubt the BB loco will sell through quickly. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 12, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 hour ago, brushman47544 said: Hornby hasn’t as far as I am aware failed to sell out any streamlined WC or BB using the current tooling quite quickly. I wouldn’t be surprised the Churchill Pack hung around because of the Pullmans and the Hearse Van. When released there were still lots of equivalent Pullmans available separately and that Hearse Van...enough said. I eventually managed to buy the loco separately and the pricing of the coaches was obviously competitive enough for people wanting just Pullmans to buy all the coaches. So I don’t doubt the BB loco will sell through quickly. I'd normally agree; I left it a bit late with Bideford and only managed to get one last week. However, Hornby haven't repeated an earlier Light Pacific release before, let alone one they've already re-run for a train pack. There were 1,200 of the train packs and (IIRC) the same number of the NRM-branded edition (R.2385) that I have. 2,400 is well in excess of recent release quantities of one "name". AFAIK no more than 2,000 have been produced of any Bulleid Pacific for some years and several are reckoned to be a good deal scarcer than that. Admittedly, mine is "going back a bit" (2004, I think) but the pack is quite recent and still not hard to find new. I do want these to sell because. If they don't, it might deter or delay further WC/BB releases. I don't want to stop at 32, though I'm not reckoning on having all 110, half sounds about right to me! John 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted January 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 13, 2021 12 hours ago, Dunsignalling said: However, Hornby haven't repeated an earlier Light Pacific release before, let alone one they've already re-run for a train pack. They won't be exact repeats...the BR green will be different in each case 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanN91 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Typo it should say Performing an air fist pump in the air! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) On 12/01/2021 at 21:12, brushman47544 said: Hornby hasn’t as far as I am aware failed to sell out any streamlined WC or BB using the current tooling quite quickly. I wouldn’t be surprised the Churchill Pack hung around because of the Pullmans and the Hearse Van. When released there were still lots of equivalent Pullmans available separately and that Hearse Van...enough said. I eventually managed to buy the loco separately and the pricing of the coaches was obviously competitive enough for people wanting just Pullmans to buy all the coaches. So I don’t doubt the BB loco will sell through quickly. What I find incredible with Hornby is the difference in pricing between the airsmooth WC/BOB class, compared to the far superior (2017) tooled airsmooth Merchant Navy. An RRP of £219.95 for Sir Winston Churchill (Early 2000s tooling) against £189.99 for the latest release Belgian Marine just doesn't make sense. Imminent delayed releases of this class are even more reasonable at £179.95. I'm not complaining, but it does seem rather strange. Edited January 14, 2021 by Black 5 Bear 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 21 minutes ago, Black 5 Bear said: What I find incredible with Hornby is the difference in pricing between the airsmooth WC/BOB class, compared to the far superior (2017) tooled airsmooth Merchant Navy. An RRP of £219.95 for Sir Winston Churchill (Early 2000s tooling) against £189.99 for the latest release Belgian Marine just doesn't make sense. Imminent delayed releases of this class are even more reasonable at £179.95. I'm not complaining, but it does seem rather strange. I suspect the difference is a consequence of what Hornby has had to pay its factories. Where they are made and when the order was placed will be the factor, not the age of the tooling. Les 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 14, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) I don't think RRP is always directly related to unit production costs. Last year's "Bideford" had an RRP of (IIRC) £184.99 so this represents a fairly hefty hike. It's something that Bachmann are more often accused of than Hornby but there may also be an element of "what the market will stand" involved here. We can't know unless Hornby tell us but, given that there already two earlier releases of this loco in circulation, this one may be a quite small run. John Edited January 14, 2021 by Dunsignalling 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted January 20, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 20, 2021 The BB 34051 Winston Churchill (R3866) is already in stock with several retailers (who shall remain nameless to avoid favouritism). The green looks similar or is the same as to Bideford. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted January 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2021 On 20/01/2021 at 11:58, brushman47544 said: The BB 34051 Winston Churchill (R3866) is already in stock with several retailers (who shall remain nameless to avoid favouritism). The green looks similar or is the same as to Bideford. I've noticed a couple of other differences compared to R3638 34019 Bideford and the previous 34051 Winston Churchill in set R3300. First, the new R3866 Winston Churchill has OHL warning flashes on the buffer beam, which the previous version did but Bideford did not. And secondly the strange one... The insides of the smoke deflectors are painted green. Not seen that before on any Hornby BB or WC, nor noticed it on any prototype photos. Is that an error or, since R3866 is shown as Era 11, is that how it is painted in the NRM? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted January 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2021 35 minutes ago, brushman47544 said: I've noticed a couple of other differences compared to R3638 34019 Bideford and the previous 34051 Winston Churchill in set R3300. First, the new R3866 Winston Churchill has OHL warning flashes on the buffer beam, which the previous version did but Bideford did not. And secondly the strange one... The insides of the smoke deflectors are painted green. Not seen that before on any Hornby BB or WC, nor noticed it on any prototype photos. Is that an error or, since R3866 is shown as Era 11, is that how it is painted in the NRM? Nope not painted like that at NRM so looks like a mistake. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted January 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) It wasnt present when it arrived at the Mid Hants for repainting in 2012.. But the OHLE is accurate for Winstons funeral train.. https://anuraguruge.wordpress.com/2012/10/01/sir-winston-churchills-funeral-train-was-hauled-by-battle-of-britain-class-steam-locomotive-no-34051-winston-churchill/ not sure the insides of the smoke deflectors are green.. it looks black to me. I’d be pretty confident the MHR know this and wouldnt do that either. This was nearing the end of its repaint in September 2014... definitely black then... Edited May 16, 2021 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredo Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Does anyone know when 72004 would have been fitted with an AWS battery box. Thanks Fred Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 On 22/01/2021 at 23:06, brushman47544 said: I've noticed a couple of other differences compared to R3638 34019 Bideford and the previous 34051 Winston Churchill in set R3300. First, the new R3866 Winston Churchill has OHL warning flashes on the buffer beam, which the previous version did but Bideford did not. And secondly the strange one... The insides of the smoke deflectors are painted green. Not seen that before on any Hornby BB or WC, nor noticed it on any prototype photos. Is that an error or, since R3866 is shown as Era 11, is that how it is painted in the NRM? I recall at least one Bulleid Pacific being done that way by Hornby but cannot recall which one... it will appear somewhere in my searches of my photos. It was discussed at the time, aybe two years ago, and put down to a factory error. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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