luke_stevens Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 What I would be interested to see is for Hornby to do a diesel with a cast metal body, say a Class 42 Warship? Just one set of body tooling, no recent model made by others. Who knows, maybe even with 2 smoke generators?!? Luke 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Do a cast metal Class 70 and compensate for the disaster that the other lot make - superbly detailed but WAY too light ... and no room to make up the weight unless depleted Uranium's available. Al. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Co-tr-Paul Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 Beat me to it in posting about doing a diesel. I was thinking a Hymek but decided not to post in case i got my head bitten off from ye olde firm !! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 (edited) On 05/01/2021 at 18:11, 3rd Rail Exile said: If you watch the YouTube video in Andy's original post, they seem to miraculously appear at about 2:00 in. Does anyone know whether or not the two new HD Merchant Navies feature the same newly tooled tenders as fitted to Ellerman Lines and Belgian Marine ? Edited January 9, 2021 by Black 5 Bear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 On 08/01/2021 at 11:16, farren said: I have to say I’m surprised Hornby picked City of Leicester myself. Though wouldn’t have ordered one if it was anything other Leicester, London or George V. So surprised but pleased. City of Leicester was one of HDs planned alternate identities for the Coronation Pacific. Kind regards Paddy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 On 08/01/2021 at 19:58, luke_stevens said: What I would be interested to see is for Hornby to do a diesel with a cast metal body, say a Class 42 Warship? Just one set of body tooling, no recent model made by others. Who knows, maybe even with 2 smoke generators?!? Luke Could be a possibility as HD had early plans to release a Class 42 Warship and Class 52 Western at some point. Kind regards Paddy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 3rd Rail Exile Posted January 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2021 41 minutes ago, Black 5 Bear said: Does anyone know whether or not the two new HD Merchant Navies feature the same newly tooled tenders as fitted to Ellerman Lines and Belgian Marine ? I've no information on what tenders Hornby will supply, but wouldn't it be inappropriate to use the same tenders for 35011, 35016 and 35017 as for 35029? I've based that comment on the info at the top of the page in this link (the title in the link is a tad misleading...). https://www.southern-locomotives.co.uk/Class_Details/Bulleid_Light_Pacific_Tenders.html I'm aware that this topic is a bit of a minefield, and await the input of those with more detailed knowledge. No doubt Hornby will get a "verbal kicking" in these pages if they get it wrong, so I presume they have taken appropriate advice. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerron Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 7 hours ago, Paddy said: City of Leicester was one of HDs planned alternate identities for the Coronation Pacific. Kind regards Paddy That is interesting. Although disappointed it is not DofM they have at least chosen a non-streamlined version, and as you say there is a HD connection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernowtim Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Quite fancy Elders Fyffes to go with my rebuilt United States lines bought some years ago now, but should I order from my local shop at £264.99, hattons at £238.50 + post or as I have been using, TMC at £238.99 with free postage? Other option is to save a few more pennies for the Ace trains O gauge version! (As I am supposedly building an outdoor O gauge line) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Surely if there were to be a Dublo diesel it would be the 08? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, frobisher said: Surely if there were to be a Dublo diesel it would be the 08? .... except that the original Dublo 350hp shunter had a plastic body - not mazak. John Isherwood. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Co-tr-Paul Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 BR MN General Steam Navigation showing as sold out on Hornby site. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 5 hours ago, cctransuk said: .... except that the original Dublo 350hp shunter had a plastic body - not mazak. Well there you go, it just needs a new box 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted January 10, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 10, 2021 8 hours ago, frobisher said: Surely if there were to be a Dublo diesel it would be the 08? Maybe something in keeping with time. Perhaps like a Bulleid or Maunsell 0-6-0 diesel shunter. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny Emily Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Personally I think the N2 would be an excellent choice for retooling with a premium HD version. The existing model is in need of a retool anyway and there is no other model rtr on the market. 69567 and 69550 (3rail and 2rail identities) would give two respectable HD versions plus all the LNER and other big four variants HD released. 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold farren Posted January 13, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) I wonder if the A4 will be done at some point. Especially as I’ve seen some people wanting a retooling of it anyway on other sites. Edited January 13, 2021 by farren Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 30801 Posted January 13, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 13, 2021 7 hours ago, farren said: I wonder if the A4 will be done at some point. Especially as I’ve seen some people wanting a retooling of it anyway other sites. I guess the pricing would be attractive compared to Dapol's £400 metal A4 should they make a return. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
railroadbill Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Dapol hasn't progressed it's "black label" brand so far but "Hornby Dublo" is a known name. Hornby can use that as a premium brand name and tap into a nostalgic appeal as well for upgraded locos. The Dapol A4 had all sorts of features like smoke and sound which pushed the price right up but having seen one it didn't look any more like an A4 than the current Hornby one so might as well buy another of those if you didn't want all the gimmicks. Just my opinion of course. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted January 13, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 13, 2021 On 10/01/2021 at 10:04, kernowtim said: Quite fancy Elders Fyffes to go with my rebuilt United States lines bought some years ago now, but should I order from my local shop at £264.99, hattons at £238.50 + post or as I have been using, TMC at £238.99 with free postage? Other option is to save a few more pennies for the Ace trains O gauge version! (As I am supposedly building an outdoor O gauge line) At least part of that decision needs to be based upon how easy you will find it to return to the vender in the event of their being a problem with it. Assuming 'non-essential' businesses are open again in the foreseeble you also have the opportunity to make sure its a good one if you buy local. Thats got to be worth £26! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 30801 Posted January 13, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 hour ago, railroadbill said: The Dapol A4 had all sorts of features like smoke and sound which pushed the price right up but having seen one it didn't look any more like an A4 than the current Hornby one so might as well buy another of those if you didn't want all the gimmicks. Just my opinion of course. I bought one of the 'refurbished' ones from DCC Supplies. Refurbishment being chucking the troublesome smoke unit in the bin. Along with the lights for some reason. It's a nice loco in this DCC sound only form. I don't know how much lower the price would be if they sold like this but it would save them a few bob in warranty claims. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireline Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 On 10/01/2021 at 16:10, Co-tr-Paul said: BR MN General Steam Navigation showing as sold out on Hornby site. Glad I got my order in, then! I was still debating whether to order or not as I pressed the button to pay! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted January 13, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 13, 2021 12 hours ago, railroadbill said: Dapol hasn't progressed it's "black label" brand so far but "Hornby Dublo" is a known name. Hornby can use that as a premium brand name and tap into a nostalgic appeal as well for upgraded locos. The Dapol A4 had all sorts of features like smoke and sound which pushed the price right up but having seen one it didn't look any more like an A4 than the current Hornby one so might as well buy another of those if you didn't want all the gimmicks. Just my opinion of course. Ignoring that the Dapol A4 is metal too of course. imho I love the Dapol A4 for that reason it is metal, it just shimmers in a way plastic doesnt.. Paint sits on metal, it sinks into plastic. They could remove the lights, smoke, sound they might have a similar price to Hornbys. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
railroadbill Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Interesting about the performance of paint on metal vs plastic. I did notice that the finish on Duchess of Atholl was very good, I thought it had a realistic sheen on it. The standard ones looked very matt. The Hornby picture of City of Leicester (although it's not the actual loco) looks like it's going to be satin as well. As an aside I like having a variety of finishes on locos on the layout, a couple of gloss ex works ones, satin to matt with ones that could have been cleaned on shed and matt ones for the grimy locos that I remember seeing. (A glossy one would have really stood out). As a further aside on my pre covid train trips (and dare I say it photographic expeditions) locos and passenger stock all look very glossy these days. Perhaps it's better paint. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
railroadbill Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 With the Dapol A4, it didn't (well to me) look a better shape than the Hornby one. A4s are tricky to capture the casing shape. (I've got an oil painting of 60021 in full flight which was done for me years ago by a guy who produced many train paintings. He said it was the hardest loco to get right that he had ever done). So since I reckon Hornby nailed it with the current model, I thought I'd stick with that. However, the ultimate 4mm A4 would certainly appeal. But what would make it "ultimate"? Hornby have done a live steam one, or should it have lots of features (steam generator, dcc, waving fireman or whatever?) Or is the current Hornby one already the "ultimate" if the body shape is correct? Perhaps a metal bodied one in the new Hornby Dublo range would hit the spot, then. ps I already have a Hornby Dublo metal bodied A4. In fact it has a metal tender as well. When I got it as a present actual A4s still had another 6 years or so to run in BR service... 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 On 14/01/2021 at 12:19, railroadbill said: Interesting about the performance of paint on metal vs plastic. I did notice that the finish on Duchess of Atholl was very good, I thought it had a realistic sheen on it. The standard ones looked very matt. The Hornby picture of City of Leicester (although it's not the actual loco) looks like it's going to be satin as well. As an aside I like having a variety of finishes on locos on the layout, a couple of gloss ex works ones, satin to matt with ones that could have been cleaned on shed and matt ones for the grimy locos that I remember seeing. (A glossy one would have really stood out). As a further aside on my pre covid train trips (and dare I say it photographic expeditions) locos and passenger stock all look very glossy these days. Perhaps it's better paint. The thing is that, whilst the new Dublo locomotive bodies are metal, the tender bodies are plastic. If the metal results in a better paint finish, one would expect the loco and tender to have different finishes. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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