truffy Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 1 hour ago, MGR Hooper! said: Let's all cry tears of joy.... After all the "bashing" Hornby received, they're now doing the top headlight on the LSL Blue Pullman https://uk.Hornby.com/community/blog-and-news/engine-shed/full-tilt Apparently Hornby doesn't listen to feedback Damn and blast Hornby and their listening to feedback. Looks like that saving was only short-term after all 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Clearly they only listen when they know they will sell a shed load of them. Everyone wants a nice Pullman train. Yellow stuff sucks and no-one cars about that. Cheers Shane 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, newbryford said: So why haven't they done this with the NMT? Seems like they only listen to feedback when it suits them. And the cameras. Maybe they will listen now?? Grumble some more...it will be done. This is a CLASSIC example of how Hornby can listen to feedback from modellers and someone will still find something to complain about. LOL!! Edited March 26, 2021 by MGR Hooper! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted March 26, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 26, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, MGR Hooper! said: Maybe they will listen now?? Grumble some more...it will be done. This is a CLASSIC example of how Hornby can listen to feedback from modellers and someone will still find something to complain about. LOL!! I think they have selective hearing. Pardon? Edited March 26, 2021 by newbryford 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, newbryford said: I think they have selective hearing. Pardon? And I think we love to grumble like old hags regardless. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richscylla Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 15 minutes ago, MGR Hooper! said: And I think we love to grumble like old hags regardless. We should give them some credit for listening, but my god did they deserve the bashing for completely ignoring it in the first place! New grumble... it looks a little large on Hornby's CAD! 3 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, richscylla said: We should give them some credit for listening, but my god did they deserve the bashing for completely ignoring it in the first place! New grumble... it looks a little large on Hornby's CAD! This is actually not grumbling. It's constructive feedback. This is what we need, not a moan and groam about anything you can find under the carpet. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted March 26, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 26, 2021 12 minutes ago, MGR Hooper! said: This is actually not grumbling. It's constructive feedback. This is what we need, not a moan and groam about anything you can find under the carpet. It's Sam's Trains that finds things under the carpet. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 1 hour ago, MGR Hooper! said: Maybe they will listen now?? Grumble some more...it will be done. This is a CLASSIC example of how Hornby can listen to feedback from modellers and someone will still find something to complain about. LOL!! They may have listened but its too big. That's a legitimate grumble. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 14 minutes ago, newbryford said: It's Sam's Trains that finds things under the carpet. *on the carpet. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted March 26, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 26, 2021 28 minutes ago, Wolf27 said: They may have listened but its too big. That's a legitimate grumble. But is that a 10 minute or 30 minute Grumble? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted March 26, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 26, 2021 1 hour ago, richscylla said: We should give them some credit for listening, but my god did they deserve the bashing for completely ignoring it in the first place! Absolutely but feedback works both ways........if they had just said “we are working on it” maybe the bashing would turn into praise more often? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted March 26, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 26, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, richscylla said: New grumble... it looks a little large on Hornby's CAD! Oh for gods sake they just can’t do anything right can they. If they got a shrink ray and used it in a real locomotive someone would complain that it was wrong. No wonder they withdrew from forums like this. Edited March 26, 2021 by Hilux5972 Correction 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 (edited) 44 minutes ago, boxbrownie said: Absolutely but feedback works both ways........if they had just said “we are working on it” maybe the bashing would turn into praise more often? Did they not just say that in this month's TES? That's exactly what they did. The point is, they initially weren't going to do it. The NR NMT HST sets always sold out despite not having the top headlight. I'm sure the LSL Blue Pullman would've still sold out. The hype created due to the lack of the headlight for the LSL Blue Pullman set was far greater than the outcry over the NR NMT HST sets. And let's be honest here, if Hornby said they were tooling up for the new headlight for the LSL Blue Pullman, you'd have people complain about the lack of it on the NR NMT set. So how exactly does this convert bashing to praise? You literally have one person bring up the NR NMT set "now" when it has been done multiple times in the "past". The LSL BP set is a future release. Who is to say that the next release of NR NMT sets won't have the top headlight? Rather than acknowledge Hornby's effort here, a past product is brought in and used as a means to bash a company. Edited March 26, 2021 by MGR Hooper! 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted March 26, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 26, 2021 1 minute ago, MGR Hooper! said: Did they not just say that in this month's TES???? That's exactly what they did. The point is, they initially weren't going to do it. The NR NMT HST sets always sold out despite not having the top headlight. I'm sure the LSL Blue Pullman would've still sold out. The hype created due to the lack of the headlight for the LSL Blue Pullman set was far greater than the outcry over the NR NMT HST sets. And let's be honest here, if Hornby said they were tooling up for the new headlight for the LSL Blue Pullman, you'd have people complain about the lack of it on the NR NMT set. So how exactly does this convert bashing to praise? You literally have one person bring up the NR NMT set "now" when it has been done multiple times in the "past". The LSL BP set is a future release. Who is to say that the next release of NR NMT sets won't have the top headlight? Rather than acknowledge Hornby's effort here, a past product is brought in and used as a means to bash a company. Maybe you could take on the mantel of Hornby’s official outlet on here............you do defend them with fervour all the time. 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Bear Digital Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 I'm gonna grumble that people keep calling it the top headlight. ...when it's actually a marker light. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, boxbrownie said: Maybe you could take on the mantel of Hornby’s official outlet on here............you do defend them with fervour all the time. With all the excessive bashing they get, a lot for no reason. A little bit of praise when they deserve it won't harm anyone. And FWIW, when I do post on here, I try to make them as factual as I can. If I do post something incorrect, I will make amendments to the post and admit it. PS: Thanks for the advice. But I am more than happy with my current day job on the other side of the globe. Edited March 26, 2021 by MGR Hooper! 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted March 26, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 26, 2021 Hornby should be congratulated on that. no doubt, whatever your perspective, the headlight was important and theyve done something about it.. so credit where its due. 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class 158 productions Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 I wonder if they noticed a drop in pre orders, good to see Hornby responding to criticism. It does look a little large and for the price and effort required in making it, it should be adjusted. Another smaller thing I’ll doubt they do, as it would require changing the whole face, I think the bottom lights actually sit lower than other refurbished front end hsts, I didn’t realise it till someone pointed it out though. It’s a step in the right direction for Hornby and refreshing for them to actually implement something before it’s released. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiftyfour fiftyfour Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 On 26/03/2021 at 17:34, Hilux5972 said: Oh for gods sake they just can’t do anything right can they. If they got a shrink ray and used it in a real locomotive someone would complain that it was wrong. No wonder they withdrew from forums like this. For £314 for a loco and one "carriage" with lights at one end I'd expect perfection, or the very next best thing! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroborus Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 On 27/03/2021 at 08:37, Class 158 productions said: I wonder if they noticed a drop in pre orders, good to see Hornby responding to criticism. I thought this. Here and elsewhere, a number of people cancelled pre-orders when Hornby made their initial announcement that they weren't doing the headlight. Perhaps this (along with comments about the price premium), made it back to Margate, forcing the rethink. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Or will it result in a bigger price premium? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class 158 productions Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Butler Henderson said: Or will it result in a bigger price premium? It’s already more expensive than the other sets coming out, probably due to the 1:1 branding. It was thought the higher price was due to light, I don’t know if Hornby will raise it more. £314 rrp is pushing it for the hst tooling. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted March 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 28, 2021 4 hours ago, fiftyfour fiftyfour said: For £314 for a loco and one "carriage" with lights at one end I'd expect perfection, or the very next best thing! Well then I assume at some point you will stop modelling because we will never ever have perfection. Going slightly OT, the recently released trumpeter 1/200 scale Titanic model kit had a long list of flaws, this made its way back to trumpeter, who corrected some but missed many others, and the model is still flying off the shelves at almost twice the price of the HST. Regardless of whether the headlight was included or not, this would have sold out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiftyfour fiftyfour Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 51 minutes ago, Hilux5972 said: Well then I assume at some point you will stop modelling because we will never ever have perfection. Going slightly OT, the recently released trumpeter 1/200 scale Titanic model kit had a long list of flaws, this made its way back to trumpeter, who corrected some but missed many others, and the model is still flying off the shelves at almost twice the price of the HST. Regardless of whether the headlight was included or not, this would have sold out. I agree, there would have been enough people willing to pay £244 for a power car (now we know a dummy car on it's own is RRP £70!) even without obvious/significant prototypical features but I'm happy to leave them to it- more fool them! In my humble opinion the Midland Pullman is, and remains, a silly extravagance for 99.9999% of model railways as it's based on a train that ran once in 2020 and has yet to turn a wheel in 2021, and even when "normality" returns will be a once yearly event at many locations and unheard of at very many more. A Swallow livery HST however..... 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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