atom3624 Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 More interesting locomotives. The light grey certainly highlights the details you don't normally recognise. Al. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted June 1, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 1, 2021 They do look fantastic. Looking forward to 2007 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 I’ve got a 2007 on order at Kernow, but 2003 looks like a damn fine machine too… 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted June 2, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) Interested in 2003 . I would have placed a pre order somewhere , but this Tier business has really soured it . I’ll wait until they come out . If there’s one around then I might buy , but if I lose out so be it . Edited June 3, 2021 by Legend Got my engines wrong its 2003 interested in 4 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Daddyman Posted June 2, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 2, 2021 I'm impressed that Hornby have noticed this: "A particular feature of the original locomotives was the way the casing was forced around the cylinders which from photos appears to have resulted in different creases on each unique locomotive." Seem to remember the LNER forum disagreed with me on this... However, it doesn't currently look like there's enough bulge in this area, though it's hard to see with everything being in grey. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 I've a PoW on order. Let's hope my chosen hobby shop doesn't have it's tier changed! Al. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, atom3624 said: I've a PoW on order. Let's hope my chosen hobby shop doesn't have it's tier changed! Al. Yep, you'd hope they'd have the tier thing come in from next year so to not screw their (ultimate) customers over. For example some of the things I have on pre order, including 2007, I'd be gutted if I missed out on, and I'd probably have paid the extra to order direct if there had been doubt at the time. I don't think it's right for me to be cancelling pre orders now with shops in case l they don't get them and order direct though. Although technically shouldn't their online shop be tier 3 (not being s physical shop) and therefore be one of the worst places to buy from? Edited June 2, 2021 by TomScrut 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mckinneyc Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 I haven't pre-ordered one, impressive as the renders look. I'm going to wait to see the finished product and if it means missing out I can wait for future releases. The A2 fiasco has damaged my confidence 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cor-onGRT4 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 On 04/06/2021 at 09:10, mckinneyc said: I haven't pre-ordered one, impressive as the renders look. I'm going to wait to see the finished product and if it means missing out I can wait for future releases. The A2 fiasco has damaged my confidence I had two in pre order at Hattons, well we know how that went caused by Hornby trier system.. I think it is going to be a great model, just see the 3d impressions on Hornby magazine youtube, but will not pre order anymore Hornby, we don't know if an shop we preordered from still be in trier 1 over an year time, when the new items are released, this is now all very unshure. So Hornby, if there is a new release I like to have , I wait till it's there in a shop I can order from, if not bad luck . Then I'm only shure I will get one, Earl of Marishal is the most importent to have 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickRoper Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 I have a question... I pre-ordered Earl Marischal from the Hornby website earlier in the year, as I saw the image on the Hornby website... Now as far as I am concerned, I have ordered a model of 2002 which is in "as-built" form. Fast forward to last week, and a perusal of the P2 Locomotive Company's website, and it shows CAD renderings of 2002 with the secondary "Elephant's Ears"... Is 2002 going to be produced in purely original form, or has a decision been taken to make it with the later smoke deflectors? Or are both versions being made? I am not a fan of its later look, much preferring its as-built condition, which the photo on the Hornby webpage implies is the way it's being produced. Any further input would be greatly appreciated! Richard Roper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 15 minutes ago, RickRoper said: I have a question... I pre-ordered Earl Marischal from the Hornby website earlier in the year, as I saw the image on the Hornby website... Now as far as I am concerned, I have ordered a model of 2002 which is in "as-built" form. Fast forward to last week, and a perusal of the P2 Locomotive Company's website, and it shows CAD renderings of 2002 with the secondary "Elephant's Ears"... Is 2002 going to be produced in purely original form, or has a decision been taken to make it with the later smoke deflectors? Or are both versions being made? I am not a fan of its later look, much preferring its as-built condition, which the photo on the Hornby webpage implies is the way it's being produced. Any further input would be greatly appreciated! Richard Roper. Like you I had 2002 ordered when announced as I prefer the original design and intended to replace my existing 2001 model which I'd bought as the 'enhanced' version only to be told now that despite the premium paid for this 'better version' it was only ever a railroad model. I believe that 2002 is only being produced in it's double deflector form as that is what the very first CADS of the front end showed soon after the announcement. I have cancelled my 2002 order and am trying to work out if renumbering 2007 as 2001 will work but I think there are too many subtle changes to the design for it to really be viable. Perhaps a 'full-fat' 2001 will follow next year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickRoper Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Karl said: Like you I had 2002 ordered when announced as I prefer the original design and intended to replace my existing 2001 model which I'd bought as the 'enhanced' version only to be told now that despite the premium paid for this 'better version' it was only ever a railroad model. I believe that 2002 is only being produced in it's double deflector form as that is what the very first CADS of the front end showed soon after the announcement. I have cancelled my 2002 order and am trying to work out if renumbering 2007 as 2001 will work but I think there are too many subtle changes to the design for it to really be viable. Perhaps a 'full-fat' 2001 will follow next year. *Oh dear*, if this is the case, I am not happy, as I took it that it'd appear as in the photograph. I have ordered 2007 as well, but wanted the Walschaerts Loco in original guise. That's £200+ committed, unless I cancel my order. Richard. Edited June 7, 2021 by RickRoper Message editor doesn't like expletives! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted June 7, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 7, 2021 Pull the extra deflectors off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieR4489 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 37 minutes ago, Hilux5972 said: Pull the extra deflectors off. Not as simple as that, unfortunately. The original deflectors were cut back when the extra pair were added 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribird Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 15 hours ago, JamieR4489 said: Not as simple as that, unfortunately. The original deflectors were cut back when the extra pair were added And the footplate is curved right above the cylinders on that model! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickRoper Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) 23 hours ago, Hilux5972 said: Pull the extra deflectors off. Deleted Edited June 8, 2021 by RickRoper Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted June 8, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 8, 2021 On 08/06/2021 at 09:16, JamieR4489 said: Not as simple as that, unfortunately. The original deflectors were cut back when the extra pair were added Oh right yeah that makes it a bit more difficult. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 2002 'Earl Marischal' Aberdeen 1936 by John Law 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 A fine-looking beast indeed. Pity she (the Class) was flawed. Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted September 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 16, 2021 12 hours ago, atom3624 said: A fine-looking beast indeed. Pity she (the Class) was flawed. Al. Even though there was the crank axle issue, they should never have been treated to what Thompson did to them! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9402 Fredrick Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Hilux5972 said: Even though there was the crank axle issue, they should never have been treated to what Thompson did to them! Okay, I'ma need you to stop right there cause if these were built on any other railwat the moment any of their flaws were seen they'd of been cut up at one of the respective works immediately during WW2, they got a new chance of life under Thompson. Edited September 16, 2021 by 9402 Fredrick 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_sterling Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Even if the rebuilt A2/2's weren't all that good, reputedly their availability was higher than the P2's, and crank axle failure wasn't one of their ailments anymore. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted September 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 hour ago, 9402 Fredrick said: Okay, I'ma need you to stop right there cause if these were built on any other railwat the moment any of their flaws were seen they'd of been cut up at one of the respective works immediately during WW2, they got a new chance of life under Thompson. Each to their own, but I think scrapping would have been a mercy rather than the mess Thompson made of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 At least Peppercorn came to the rescue, albeit totally separate locomotives - they were for the same / similar duties. Wonder how HRH #2007 PoW will fare on the mainline - is all resolved? Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manna Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 G'Day Folks Would have been much better value, to replace Hornblocks and axles, than rip a loco to bits and rebuild it to a new configuration. A very poor choice in the middle of a War. manna Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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