Moderators AY Mod Posted December 16, 2020 Moderators Share Posted December 16, 2020 Built at Metro-Cammell’s Washwood Heath factory, 314 Mk4 coaches were produced between 1989 and 1992. They were built specifically for use on the newly electrified East Coast Main Line, along with hopes that a second order for the West Coast Main Line would be placed at a later date, although this second order never transpired. Mk4 coaches featured many improvements over the Mk3s such as push-button operated plug-type doors, fully sealed gangways and a designed top speed of 140mph. Much of the Mk4 design was based upon the Advanced Passenger Train. In particular, Mk4 coaches feature sides profiled to allow a tilt of up to 6° with newly fitted tilting bogies. Mk4’s entered service in 1989 and helped drive a significant increase in passenger traffic. With privatisation in 1996, all Mk4 coaches were sold to Evershot Rail Group who have since leased them out to the holder of the InterCity East Coast Franchise. The franchise was initially awarded to Great North Eastern Railway (GNER) and has since been operated by National Express East Coast, East Coast, Virgin Trains East Coast and London North Eastern Railway (LNER) owned by the Department for Transport. Between October 2003 and November 2005 Bombardier Transportation, under contract from GNER, commenced refurbishment of the Mk4 stock, fitting new seating arrangements and introduced onboard Wi-Fi, a first for British rail services. This refurbishment programme was called ‘Project Mallard’ named after the Mallard steam locomotive, built in the 1930s by the London & North Eastern Railway and holder of the world speed record for steam locomotives. Although Mk4 coaches have spent most of their lives on the ECML, there are plans to cascade them down to other lines due to the introduction of the Class 800 and Class 801 IEPs. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Finally!!! Woohoo.... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 HST DVT looks superb if the colours look like they do in the diagram there 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60800 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 I'm guessing the Mk.4 DVT is going to be £70 then? Cheers, 60800 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Will these have close coupling mechanisms fitted as per the sliding door Mk3? And what about the TSO(E) - I can't see this mentioned/specified.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanspareil Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 The prices are good by modern standards, looking at maybe £32 ish with discounts. I assume the standard will be more akin to that of their MK2F range though ie not a bells and whistles Cavalex level model but a hopefully serious and affordable step up from the ancient Margate tooling of the past? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiftyfour fiftyfour Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 To quickly say that the single dummy HST power car is a good idea, I shall certainly buy one as it remained like that for many years after use with the Mk4's on ECML. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Bendall Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 22 minutes ago, fiftyfour fiftyfour said: To quickly say that the single dummy HST power car is a good idea, I shall certainly buy one as it remained like that for many years after use with the Mk4's on ECML. The HST power cars were surrogate DVTs on Mk.3s, they didn't work with Mk.4s. 1 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackB95 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 A very welcome decision by Hornby to announce the Mk4s and DVTs, both in their 91 days and indeed their upcoming 67 days - fantastic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium JDW Posted January 5, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 5, 2021 27 minutes ago, Simon Bendall said: The HST power cars were surrogate DVTs on Mk.3s, they didn't work with Mk.4s. Yes, that all seems a little confused from listening to the video! The HST power cars (not Mk3 DVTs!) ran with Mk3 sets and a 91 at the other end, essentially a HST with one power car replaced by new 91. A Mk4 set needs a Mk4 DVT! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwr Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Is this powered or unpowered Paul R 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NXEA! Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 14 minutes ago, JDW said: Yes, that all seems a little confused from listening to the video! The HST power cars (not Mk3 DVTs!) ran with Mk3 sets and a 91 at the other end, essentially a HST with one power car replaced by new 91. A Mk4 set needs a Mk4 DVT! The Mark 3’s are at least already in the range - R40002-5. Only thing is, the TGS doesn’t have buffers - TGS’ modified to work with 91’s we’re fitted with headstocks and buffers IIRC, I doubt many will mind though. I can see the dummy PC selling very well, not just for use with 91’s but can be posed on shed, or dragged around a layout in a stock move by another loco e.g. to/from works. Might get one myself! Haven’t seen any mention of TTS chips this year but you’d hope Hornby do a 91 TTS chip, I reckon that would sound pretty ace in a model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, pwr said: Is this powered or unpowered Paul R The 43 is unpowered. I'm pleased the mk4s and DVT look like a full retool. Now I need to think about how long a train I want... Edited January 5, 2021 by TomScrut Clarification Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60800 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 2 hours ago, G-BOAF said: Wihat about the TSO(E) - I can't see this mentioned/specified.... The TSO(E)'s are included - the LNER one for example is R40192 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter749 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) 53 minutes ago, NXEA! said: The Mark 3’s are at least already in the range - R40002-5. Only thing is, the TGS doesn’t have buffers - TGS’ modified to work with 91’s we’re fitted with headstocks and buffers IIRC Why did they need to fit the TGS with Buffers? AFAIK they never used them when coupling to the 91s - just used the Buckeye and Pullman Gangways Peter EDIT - The TGS did have buffers - Just spotted a picture in another thread Edited January 5, 2021 by Peter749 more info Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottrains29 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) I'm looking forward to the GNER 225 set. Not much else in the range for late 90s/early 00s, but hopefully if the GNER 225 set sells well they'll produce a GNER 125 set next year. The buffered single car 43 is a good choice. I've suggested this in the past. I think it'll sell well, being more affordable than a twin pack. Hopefully they'll do buffered 43065 in Virgin livery at some point (it hauled the last Virgin HST I was on). Lima used to do well selling single HST power cars. Edited January 5, 2021 by scottrains29 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterCity80s Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) Really pleased to see these. I thought it fairly likely that some Mark 4s would be on their way, given last year's announcement of the Class 91s, but was a little worried they might have re-used the existing tooling. Will be getting a rake of InterCity Mark 4s + DVT. Trying to work out if I can justify a GNER set as well; I always liked that livery. Edited January 5, 2021 by InterCity80s Spelling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, scottrains29 said: I'm looking forward to the GNER 225 set. Not much else in the range for late 90s/early 00s, but hopefully if the GNER 225 set sells well they'll produce a GNER 125 set next year. Without wanting to start talking about next year I think a GNER 373 would also be a good shout. GNER is one of the best privatisation liveries IMO. It's simple and looks really smart. I wonder if hot off the heels of this announcement we will have the 89 announced by Rails? GNER Mk4s must have been a factor in it. Any suggestions as to how best do 5 coaches in LNER? I have a 5 coach train at just over 2m with a loco and DVT. I know I need a coach B to go behind the loco. I am thinking either 2 standard 1 kitchen 2 first or 3 standard 1 kitchen 1 first. Probably the latter. Is the first that goes onto the DVT any different to the normal firsts? I'd likely go with BCFHM if M is specifically for the DVT end. Edited January 5, 2021 by TomScrut 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted January 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) A HST DVT was still a HST power car. it applied power, indeed some of the fastest recorded runs on the ECML was DVT+91 combos. I was just watching this last night. Theres one clip here where the 91 has packed in, and the solitary car is screaming on its own with the train. At rrp £70... i’ll be buying a few of these and powering them up from older r27xx releases. I can see a bunch of older dummy sets of class 43’s on ebay down the road. interesting choice to do the power car, but no mk3’s to go with it... they didnt go with mk4’s. Edited January 5, 2021 by adb968008 4 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, NXEA! said: I can see the dummy PC selling very well, not just for use with 91’s but can be posed on shed, or dragged around a layout in a stock move by another loco e.g. to/from works. Might get one myself! I will certainly be getting one (assuming I eventually get a pair of Class 43s) as I've fancied a buffer-fitted PC but can't justify buying a complete powered pair! Edited January 5, 2021 by G-BOAF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
redixon Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Waited years for GNER Mallard coaches, both re-release of MK 3 (still waiting) and newly tooled Mk4s. When the Mk4 finally arrives its in the pre-Mallard livery........ Gutted doesn't quite cut it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fisher Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 4 hours ago, TomScrut said: The 43 is unpowered. I'm pleased it looks like a full retool. Now I need to think about how long a train I want... Can you explain about the "full retool" please 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJennings Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Puzzled with the Transport for Wales Mk4s - Believe these will only run as 4 car sets (Plus Loco and DVT) so not sure why Hornby are doing what is basically a similar size rake as to that which run with the 91s? Hopefully I am missing something ... Still ... Very good to see some new Mk4s though announced today ... Well not so good on the wallet but very welcome news either way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium JDW Posted January 5, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 hour ago, adb968008 said: Slightly O/T but does the 91's pantograph hit something at 2:32 or is it just a trick of the light? It seems to jump and there's a clang noise at the same time - coincidence? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Ian Fisher said: Can you explain about the "full retool" please The mk4s, rather than being a reissue of the existing which was spoken about. Sorry I have qualified that on the OP now, reading back it sounds like I am talking about the dummy HST which I expect is what you thought I was on about. Edited January 5, 2021 by TomScrut 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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