Moderators AY Mod Posted December 16, 2020 Moderators Share Posted December 16, 2020 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack P Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Always happy for more SR Maunsell stock, Woo! 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Jolly nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGiraffe22 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 I'll have another SR diner =) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Only a short step to the Western Section & Night Ferry Buffet Car twins now ...................... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor7598 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 An obvious choice for a new tooling. Although these coaches had three interiors in their lifetime, the bodyshell remained the same. Will they print the curtains in the composite form?. Nice one Hornby. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Nice to see the preserved 7864 In the range 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted January 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 5, 2021 My usual roundup from an SR/BR(s) perspective can be found here https://grahammuz.com/2021/01/05/Hornby-announce-2021-range/ 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGiraffe22 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Would anyone be able to shed any light as to what sort of trains the SR diner was used in compared to the 1st class diner previously released? Presumably never in the same train ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted January 5, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 5, 2021 39 minutes ago, GreenGiraffe22 said: Would anyone be able to shed any light as to what sort of trains the SR diner was used in compared to the 1st class diner previously released? Presumably never in the same train ? Almost always in the same train as a Pair. Good one for your era maybe the Brighton Plymouth? P 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 5, 2021 52 minutes ago, GreenGiraffe22 said: Would anyone be able to shed any light as to what sort of trains the SR diner was used in compared to the 1st class diner previously released? Presumably never in the same train ? These are the "runners" to go with the Kitchen Firsts previously released. SR Dining portions normally consisted of two coaches. John 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGiraffe22 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) I'm always learning! Thank you both! Edit: I think I got confused thinking the 3rd class diner had a kitchen aswell but I see it is similar to the open 3rd? Edit 2: I have a fictional Brighton-Portsmouth express that my H2 pulls =) https://twitter.com/GreenGiraffe22/status/1343153578458963973?s=19 Edited January 5, 2021 by GreenGiraffe22 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinTrucks Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 hour ago, GreenGiraffe22 said: Would anyone be able to shed any light as to what sort of trains the SR diner was used in compared to the 1st class diner previously released? Presumably never in the same train ? Here is chapter and verse, as best we know it, on the Bluebell Railway's sole surviving example of these (only) six vehicles: https://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/pics/1365b.html Best regards, Martin 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 5, 2021 These, along with the Gangwayed Luggage Van, are my stars of the show for this year. Unless I've missed something in the way things have been split up, Hornby's 2021 programme doesn't seem to contain much else that fits my interests. Consequently, I'll be ordering a couple of delayed items from 2020 that I'd previously disregarded. John 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamespetts Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, MartinTrucks said: Here is chapter and verse, as best we know it, on the Bluebell Railway's sole surviving example of these (only) six vehicles: https://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/pics/1365b.html Best regards, Martin Interesting. It is difficult to find good information about these and in particular what they were actually doing in the mid-1930s, even though I own two books on Southern carriages. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGiraffe22 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Forgive my ignorance again, what's the difference between the open third and the dining third... lamps and curtains ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, GreenGiraffe22 said: Forgive my ignorance again, what's the difference between the open third and the dining third... lamps and curtains ? Usually, 2+1 seating in catering vehicles, 2+2 in ordinary opens. John 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted January 5, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 5, 2021 10 minutes ago, GreenGiraffe22 said: Forgive my ignorance again, what's the difference between the open third and the dining third... lamps and curtains ? In Southern Railway terms, not a lot! Thats why they used ordinary open 3rds (with 2+2 seating I hasten to add) for later catering setups. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted January 5, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said: Usually, 2+1 seating in catering vehicles, 2+2 in ordinary opens. John Given the later use of ordinary open 3rds that had a 2+2 setup as dining cars a I wouldn't be so sure these particular vehicles used 2+1 seating layouts. Edit - the link to the one preserved one states that as built they had 64 seats - which has to mean 2+2 seating! Its possible this was altered when converted to composite dining cars in the late 1940s however. Edited January 5, 2021 by phil-b259 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, phil-b259 said: Given the later use of ordinary open 3rds that had a 2+2 setup as dining cars a I wouldn't be so sure these particular vehicles used 2+1 seating layouts. In the Composite diners, it was 2+1 in First and 2+2 in Third, but I think that was a new layout that only dated from 1947. That's probably why Hornby only describe the BR ones as composites. Curtains only in the First Class end, too (see photo at beginning of thread). Also, the running numbers Hornby quote for the SR-livery Dining Thirds appear to be those carried from new up to 1930 when they were reclassified as ordinary open thirds and renumbered into the 13xx series. [Source: King, P.102] John Edited January 5, 2021 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 44 minutes ago, GreenGiraffe22 said: Forgive my ignorance again, what's the difference between the open third and the dining third... lamps and curtains ? The most obvious external difference is the position of the lavvies - but the main windows are different too. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said: Coaches built as dining thirds only had one lavatory whilst those built as open thirds had one at either end, on opposite sides. They therefore featured a small lavatory window on each side, a matching small window opposite that and one fewer saloon windows on each side. However, there was a batch of Open Thirds with the posh windows as fitted to the dining cars (Diagram 2007). John Quote Edited January 5, 2021 by Dunsignalling Clarification 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said: But there was also a batch of Open Thirds with the posh windows as fitted to the dining cars (diagram 2007). Actually two batches - to 1935 and 1936 styling ........ maybe Hornby will find these in their round tuit stash one day ( together with the '35 Brake Composite that they so nearly did with the Pull-Push set ). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 5, 2021 The various re-designations of Dining Thirds to Open Thirds and vice-versa are something of a minefield, which takes a while to get one's head around to get period-correct. That may be why Hornby didn't get the Dining Thirds out at the same time they released the Kitchen Firsts. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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