RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted January 15, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 15, 2021 Hello Wickham Green too The credit is all to Mike King who states the fact in the caption. Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 11 hours ago, BMacdermott said: Hello Wickham Green too The credit is all to Mike King who states the fact in the caption. Brian AH ! ........... should have checked myself - yes, when it comes to Southern rolling stock anoraks, Mr.King is well named ! .............. well spotted, Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinTrucks Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 (edited) Do we think that Hornby will produce a version of the Dining First in BR chocolate and cream livery? Martin (7934 carried experimental chocolate and cream in 1953, as did Maunsell 10-set No.237) Edited January 17, 2021 by MartinTrucks 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 17, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 17, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, MartinTrucks said: Do we think that Hornby will produce a version of the Dining First in BR chocolate and cream livery? Martin (7934 carried experimental chocolate and cream in 1953, as did Maunsell 10-set No.237) The pseudo-GWR livery was actually applied in 1948, and lasted until 1953. It was said to be hard to keep clean, though why it would be any worse in that respect than crimson/cream slightly mystifies me. Set 237 is referred to as an 8-set, presumably made up to ten by the addition of the RK and an open third "runner" though that is not stated explicitly. However there is also a reference to a loose composite and a loose third, being included. There are a total of eleven carriage numbers listed which, assuming the RK did have an (unlisted) open partner, should mean the complete formation would have been twelve vehicles. If not, dining would (presumably) only been offered to first class travellers. There were also a couple of thirds and a first experimentally finished in an approximation of LNWR "Plum and Spilt Milk" which seems not to have gone at all well. Ref: Gould, Maunsell's SR Steam Carriage Stock, p.97. John Edited January 17, 2021 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinTrucks Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 11 hours ago, Dunsignalling said: The pseudo-GWR livery was actually applied in 1948, and lasted until 1953. It was said to be hard to keep clean, though why it would be any worse in that respect than crimson/cream slightly mystifies me. Set 237 is referred to as an 8-set, presumably made up to ten by the addition of the RK and an open third "runner" though that is not stated explicitly. However there is also a reference to a loose composite and a loose third, being included. There are a total of eleven carriage numbers listed which, assuming the RK did have an (unlisted) open partner, should mean the complete formation would have been twelve vehicles. If not, dining would (presumably) only been offered to first class travellers. There were also a couple of thirds and a first experimentally finished in an approximation of LNWR "Plum and Spilt Milk" which seems not to have gone at all well. Ref: Gould, Maunsell's SR Steam Carriage Stock, p.97. John My reference was the June 1953 Appendix to Carriage Working Notices from the files of the BRCoachingStock group on io. The appendix shows set 237 containing 10 vehicles (the 'extras' obviously being included for the summer season) and 7934 in the choc/cream livery. I could not find an open vehicle in that livery but did notice the loose vehicles you mention in plum-and-spilt-milk. I have a well thumbed copy of Gould's first edition (my most worn out book!) but did not use it in this case. The appendix also gives 7934 as being based at Ramsgate to work the 7.20 a.m. to Cannon Street. Best regards, Martin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 17, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 17, 2021 (edited) 45 minutes ago, MartinTrucks said: My reference was the June 1953 Appendix to Carriage Working Notices from the files of the BRCoachingStock group on io. The appendix shows set 237 containing 10 vehicles (the 'extras' obviously being included for the summer season) and 7934 in the choc/cream livery. I could not find an open vehicle in that livery but did notice the loose vehicles you mention in plum-and-spilt-milk. I have a well thumbed copy of Gould's first edition (my most worn out book!) but did not use it in this case. The appendix also gives 7934 as being based at Ramsgate to work the 7.20 a.m. to Cannon Street. Best regards, Martin Yes, and Gould cites the 5.15 pm as the return working. Given the peak timings, perhaps only first class catering would have been provided? John Edited January 17, 2021 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinTrucks Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said: Yes, and Gould cites the 5.15 pm as the return working. Given the peak timings, perhaps only first class catering would have been provided? John Possibly, John. An interesting question. Perhaps the car served an unofficial 'club' of Ramsgate first class commuters? - Breakfast and a 'snorter' (if desired) in the morning and drinkies and dinner on the return. Martin 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cor-onGRT4 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) Hornby has now changed the runningnumbers from 7864 and 7867 to new runingnumbers 1363 and 1366 according their new website. But if they are renumberd to 1363 and 1366 they are no longer dining saloons but ordinary open thirds Edited January 28, 2021 by Cor-onGRT4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 28, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Cor-onGRT4 said: Hornby has now changed the runningnumbers from 7864 and 7867 to new runingnumbers 1363 and 1366 according their new website. But if they are renumberd to 1363 and 1366 they are no longer dining saloons but ordinary open thirds Which is exactly what happened to the prototypes c1930 (covered earlier in the thread, I think). After that, all open thirds could be paired interchangeably with the RFs. Hornby's change is therefore a bad move if you model the 1920s, but a good one if you model the 1930s. John Edited January 28, 2021 by Dunsignalling 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGiraffe22 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Interesting, well it's made them more suitable for their range of kitchen firsts then? Or are the KFs still too 'modern' in their unlined livery? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredo Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Hi, I have seen the first CAD’s of the Maunsell Dining Saloons. At the moment i am intending to get the model of 7841 in BR Green, do you think Hornby may make a model of the Maunsell Kitchen/Buffet cars to go with it? Thanks Fred Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted January 29, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, Fredo said: Hi, I have seen the first CAD’s of the Maunsell Dining Saloons. At the moment i am intending to get the model of 7841 in BR Green, do you think Hornby may make a model of the Maunsell Kitchen/Buffet cars to go with it? Thanks Fred Hello Fredo The 00 Poll Team has sent them 'chapter & verse' on why they should be made...and, I guess, one or two others have, too. Brian (on behalf of The 00 Wishlist Poll Team) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 ...... but there was a great call for a 1936 Brake Composite ( etc ? ) after Hornby almost got there with the Driving Trailer - and nothing's happened ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor7598 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 46 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said: ...... but there was a great call for a 1936 Brake Composite ( etc ? ) after Hornby almost got there with the Driving Trailer - and nothing's happened ! Allow me to whet their appetite again. It's also Hornby's most accurate Maunsell coach to date. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris45lsw Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 It's a while since we spoke of RCO 7844 wrecked at Sheffield Victoria in Jan 1954 but while looking for something else, of course!, I stumbled on the article. It's in 'Backtrack' for Feb 2012. Chris KT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.Uni Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 (edited) The seven Maunsell carriages have gone from the coming soon page on the Hornby website and are listed as due 'Winter 2022' on the individual product pages. Edited June 18, 2021 by Paul.Uni 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cor-onGRT4 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 (edited) On 18/06/2021 at 18:43, Paul.Uni said: The seven Maunsell carriages have gone from the coming soon page on the Hornby website and are listed as due 'Winter 2022' on the individual product pages. Hornby updated the coming soon pages, all Maunsell are now stated for May 2022, so are many other items including all P2 and many Pecketts W4, are now all for April / May 2022 Edited June 19, 2021 by Cor-onGRT4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted June 19, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 19, 2021 2022 may be too late for some of us old codgers Typical when I could just do with rtr beauties they get postponed . Making do with some crappy kit built effort I've tried is so sad....hey ho. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.Uni Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 New RRP from Hornby of £54.99 for each of the Maunsell Coaches. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted August 27, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 27, 2021 The latest Hornby Engine Shed includes an update on the SR Maunsell Dining Saloon Engineering Samples. https://uk.Hornby.com/community/blog-and-news/engine-shed/azuma-east-coast 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed 66 plant Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 As previously mentioned this topic is complex and possibly difficult to fully digest when presented in normal written form. I believe someone else remarked that a tabular presentation might help. As I was deliberating on a purchase I decided to produce such a tabular effort to help me to determine what would be ok for my needs. I must say you can read and re-read ad nauseum to get to the bottom of this and my two pennoth may have some errors. I paid great attention to Mr King,s book and Mr Muzz,s comprehensive notes and it is very useful indeed to have those available. In conclusion I have ordered S7998S and I am certain it will fit into my scheme of things. It may be of use to others--see what you think. regards, EdHornby Kitchen Diner First cars and accompanying open coach.docx 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wainwright1 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 (edited) Looking at the 'Coming not very soon' section on Hornby's website, these appear to have dropped back to May 2022 !!!!! As have quite a few other items. Ray Edited September 2, 2021 by wainwright1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed 66 plant Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 An obvious error of mine---R4816 should read Era 3 Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 On 27/08/2021 at 14:36, Graham_Muz said: The latest Hornby Engine Shed includes an update on the SR Maunsell Dining Saloon Engineering Samples. https://uk.Hornby.com/community/blog-and-news/engine-shed/azuma-east-coast Quote Overall, this resulted in a very unique and satisfying design and research experience and a very satisfying final design. Don't ask me why, but I get an impression that they're satisfied with the design. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor7598 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 I thought this image of a Maunsell dining saloon coupled next to the loco might be of interest. It is also paired with a buffet conversion of a former restaurant car. Beyond that is a 1936 open third ( Yes please Hornby ). 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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