RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted September 13, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, trevor7598 said: I thought this image of a Maunsell dining saloon coupled next to the loco might be of interest. It is also paired with a buffet conversion of a former restaurant car. Beyond that is a 1936 open third ( Yes please Hornby ). An extract from a great HC Casserley photo taken in June 1949 of 35021 on the up ACE 2 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 On 13/09/2021 at 07:58, truffy said: Overall, this resulted in a very unique and satisfying design and research experience and a very satisfying final design. “Very unique?” Is it unique or isn’t it? If there is absolutely nothing wrong with it, I’d say it’s unique, judging by Hornby’s current performance. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.Uni Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 The Maunsell carriages are now listed on the coming soon page as due February 2022 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinTrucks Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 On 24/12/2021 at 21:18, Paul.Uni said: The Maunsell carriages are now listed on the coming soon page as due February 2022 With a £54.99 RRP!!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.Uni Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 New RRP: £60.49 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebell Model Railway Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 So that's 2 price rises, I was told in August... as i was speaking regarding another order, and was told Hornby increased the price just to let me know... so this is the second.... but yea still cheaper than building a kit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.Uni Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 The 2022 announced models have a RRP of £58.49, £2 less than the RRP of the 2021 announced models. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted April 4, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4, 2022 In the latest Engine Shed blog Hornby tell us these will be arriving shortly. One thing they had failed to mention thus far with respect to the Olive versions is they will be totally bereft of any lining! https://uk.Hornby.com/products/sr-maunsell-third-class-dining-saloon-1363-era-3-r40030?modal=-zoom Now while I get that (1) It keeps costs down and (2) It matches the similarly unlined restaurant car released earlier, it is going to stick out like a sore thumb against all the other Maunsells released thus far (Dunkirk train pack excepted) all of which have carried the full lining. Given the prototype photos* Hornby have been using so far feature full lining there is ample scope for modellers to be disappointed when the arrive. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebell Model Railway Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 1 hour ago, phil-b259 said: In the latest Engine Shed blog Hornby tell us these will be arriving shortly. One thing they had failed to mention thus far with respect to the Olive versions is they will be totally bereft of any lining! https://uk.Hornby.com/products/sr-maunsell-third-class-dining-saloon-1363-era-3-r40030?modal=-zoom Now while I get that (1) It keeps costs down and (2) It matches the similarly unlined restaurant car released earlier, it is going to stick out like a sore thumb against all the other Maunsells released thus far (Dunkirk train pack excepted) all of which have carried the full lining. Given the prototype photos* Hornby have been using so far feature full lining there is ample scope for modellers to be disappointed when the arrive. Yep that was my impression too... the photo depicting the prototype has lining, then a photo of the model with none... now do I cancel or keep a £60 model which is wrong to put lining on it myself which will cost another £16-20 to buy and sort out... somewhat disappointed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted April 4, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Bluebell Model Railway said: Yep that was my impression too... the photo depicting the prototype has lining, then a photo of the model with none... now do I cancel or keep a £60 model which is wrong to put lining on it myself which will cost another £16-20 to buy and sort out... somewhat disappointed. I'm grudgingly getting one to go with my unlined restaurant car - but thats it. If I hadn't already got the restaurant car then it wouldn't be purchased at all. Hornby will be losing out on repeat purchases in future - as with the aforementioned restaurant car if they came lined I would be in the market for more than one. Edited April 4, 2022 by phil-b259 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebell Model Railway Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 10 minutes ago, phil-b259 said: I'm grudgingly getting one to go with my unlined restaurant car - but thats it. If I hadn't already got the restaurant car then it wouldn't be purchased at all. Hornby will be losing out on repeat purchases in future - as with the aforementioned restaurant car if they came lined I would be in the market for more than one. I have just sent them an email regarding this, as they claimed none of the restaurant cars were lined.... well guess what I found Hornby.... I mean £20 of lining transfers per carriage... I was always told when I was younger if you do a job... do it properly..... another manufacturer springs to mind when saying this after some discussions about errors on one of their models. I understand keeping costs down... but then theirs cutting corners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinTrucks Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 7 hours ago, Bluebell Model Railway said: Yep that was my impression too... the photo depicting the prototype has lining, then a photo of the model with none... now do I cancel or keep a £60 model which is wrong to put lining on it myself which will cost another £16-20 to buy and sort out... somewhat disappointed. Is it actually wrong without lining? The real carriage was built in July 1927 and would have been lined and numbered in the 786x series. In 1930 or shortly thereafter these carriages were regraded as ordinary open thirds and renumbered in a series containing 1363, presumably retaining their lining. Their duties were taken over by ordinary Maunsell open thirds or 'nondescript' saloons depending on traffic requirements. Circa 1939, Maunsell carriages started to lose their lining on repaint. Between 1938 and 1942 all the former dining thirds ran together in one set. They were later converted to run in wartime ambulance trains. All above info from Mike King's book, An Illustrated History of Southern Coaches. If the model has no lining it's service window is probably 1939-42. The previously released olive green Restaurant First finished in unlined olive green seems to be based on a photo in Mr.King's book showing 7869 returning to Clapham Junction from overhaul at Eastleigh in March 1940. The sad fact is that these carriages were only paired with Maunsell dining firsts between 1927-1930 and post 1947! Anywhere in between, you need an ordinary Maunsell open third! Although it is nice to see Hornby producing a model of one of these, one wonders why they actually did! Regards, Martin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebell Model Railway Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 2 hours ago, MartinTrucks said: Is it actually wrong without lining? The real carriage was built in July 1927 and would have been lined and numbered in the 786x series. In 1930 or shortly thereafter these carriages were regraded as ordinary open thirds and renumbered in a series containing 1363, presumably retaining their lining. Their duties were taken over by ordinary Maunsell open thirds or 'nondescript' saloons depending on traffic requirements. Circa 1939, Maunsell carriages started to lose their lining on repaint. Between 1938 and 1942 all the former dining thirds ran together in one set. They were later converted to run in wartime ambulance trains. All above info from Mike King's book, An Illustrated History of Southern Coaches. If the model has no lining it's service window is probably 1939-42. The previously released olive green Restaurant First finished in unlined olive green seems to be based on a photo in Mr.King's book showing 7869 returning to Clapham Junction from overhaul at Eastleigh in March 1940. The sad fact is that these carriages were only paired with Maunsell dining firsts between 1927-1930 and post 1947! Anywhere in between, you need an ordinary Maunsell open third! Although it is nice to see Hornby producing a model of one of these, one wonders why they actually did! Regards, Martin Hi Martin, When they show a photo of a lined Maunsell Dining carriage.... and then they show that... it's kind of false advertising for me... as it's not representative of what they are selling you, When I asked all those years ago.. will this be lined out, the answer was yes, I think there's two R30030 and 30A... but god knows, the information is vague 1927 and 1930 being mentioned when they were reclassified open thirds. For me that sounds early on rather than later... Oh well more money having to be spent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted April 5, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 5, 2022 13 hours ago, MartinTrucks said: Is it actually wrong without lining? I think you miss the point, nobody is saying that they didn’t run without lining, it’s just that as the majority of Maunsell coaches released before by Hornby are lined, this new one is going to stick out like a sore thumb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cor-onGRT4 Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 The original announcement Andy showed on page 1 of this topic was third class dining saloon numbers 7864 and7867 with an picture of the coach from Mike King. In Januari 2021 Hornby changed this on their site to third open 1363 and 1366 still with an picture of the original lined. And now they are coming unlined, you cannot depent on Hornby anymore because they changed their announcements over the time. I'm very dissapointed for the second time , the first time with the restaurant car unlined and now this one. I have over 80 lined SR Maunsell coaches and expected Hornby would extent this range with lined coaches, but no again plain green. Luckely I have a few of the open third from the other diagram they produced Lined first and second batch. This again dissapoint me. I'm buying more and more other makes they deliver what they announce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 I'm also very disappointed. The restaurant car I can accept as a one off (though was looking to do a body-swap if they produced a batch 2 kitchen car in lined livery), as they never actually advised it was linked. However the dining/full thirds is really not on as the prototype pictures at time of announcement showed it in lined livery with white roof. No excuse for not lining this, and no way they can say there is no evidence they were lined... Hornby themselves published this evidence. Haven't pre-ordered.... will now think long and hard. Really disappointing 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris45lsw Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 On 04/04/2022 at 22:48, Bluebell Model Railway said: Hi Martin, When they show a photo of a lined Maunsell Dining carriage.... and then they show that... it's kind of false advertising for me... as it's not representative of what they are selling you, When I asked all those years ago.. will this be lined out, the answer was yes, I think there's two R30030 and 30A... but god knows, the information is vague 1927 and 1930 being mentioned when they were reclassified open thirds. For me that sounds early on rather than later... Oh well more money having to be spent They (as Compo Saloons) never ran with Restaurant Firsts after 1947, either - they always ran with four Restaurant Buffets converted from RFs in 1947! Chris KT 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinTrucks Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 25 minutes ago, chris45lsw said: They (as Compo Saloons) never ran with Restaurant Firsts after 1947, either - they always ran with four Restaurant Buffets converted from RFs in 1947! Chris KT Chris, You are correct. I should have qualified my statement with, 'and then, as compo saloon conversions'. regards, Martin 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinTrucks Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 On 04/04/2022 at 22:48, Bluebell Model Railway said: Hi Martin, When they show a photo of a lined Maunsell Dining carriage.... and then they show that... it's kind of false advertising for me... as it's not representative of what they are selling you, When I asked all those years ago.. will this be lined out, the answer was yes, I think there's two R30030 and 30A... but god knows, the information is vague 1927 and 1930 being mentioned when they were reclassified open thirds. For me that sounds early on rather than later... Oh well more money having to be spent Matt, I see where you are coming from. My faith in Hornby was finally shattered after they produced the ex-LSWR goods brake in that bauxite colour! Sadly, they are not the only manufacturer to make livery cock-ups. However I do detect a 'we know best' attitude reminiscent of Tri-ang when it was run by the Lines family! Best regards, Martin 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 Looks like the dining thirds and dining composites are imminent. I was asked last week to confirm my order with Kernow for the dining composites as they were due shortly. I have now had funds requested from my card. Also due is the Maunsell open second. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.Uni Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 According to the Hornby website, R40221 & R40222 are now due Spring 2023. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinTrucks Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 Slightly off the title topic, but Hattons have the unlined olive green restaurant first on sale for £29! https://www.hattons.co.uk/430928/hornby_r4816a_maunsell_restaurant_kitchen_and_dining_car_7865_in_sr_olive_green/stockdetail Regards, Martin 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovex Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 Question, if using the Hornby open third as a restaurant car, as opposed to the new model, would it have been marked as a "RESTAURANT CAR"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted April 13, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 13, 2022 Apologies for being vague as I am in Covid recovery (hopefully) and my Brain Cell is fogged considerably. The Composite Diner! Was it ever going to be released in BR Green; I see ads for ones in Blood and Custard? If so, I'm confused as to release dates and just have not got the energy to plough trough this thread, so sorry. Phil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted April 13, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 13, 2022 Hello Mallard I have R40031 on order (BR Green). Hope you feel better soon. Brian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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