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Almost finished the build. I just need to add the vacuum pipes along each side of the running plate -  on 305 the drivers side is fully visable on the firemans side much less so. Lamp brackets, cab roof and a few odds and ends on top of the side tanks and then it will be ready for painting.

 

The build has presented a real dilemma in that I wanted to produce a close copy of 67305 as Ray Goad would have known and photographed it as well as make it as robust as possible for layout operation. The loco runs very well on the tight curves of my 70D layout and has good pick-up performance using a combination of studs and wipers. For an 0-4-4 it has decent tractive effort and should be able to pull or push prototypical loads. As far as couplings are concerned as mentioned earlier - I will only fit screw couplings. By drilling 4 holes in the buffer beams it should be fairly simple to fit a robust "bar" coupling. It will though need careful handling if a lot of the buffer beam detail is to survive.

 

The LRM kit is of high quality.

 

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Building little locomotives - what a satisfying pastime!

 

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard B

 

 

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18 hours ago, Worsdell forever said:

 

Yes, the lever moves the reversing rod and the screw moves the lever. convenience of the lever and finesse of the screw.

That's fantastic, shame more engines weren't fitted like that. When shunting being able to pole is better and when running a screw is better. 

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Richard,

 

Lovely build and must agree with your comments about the LRM kit. For something drawn and developed around thirty years ago it has stood the test of time very well.

 

And your final comment, on your posting above, can't disagree with that one !!

 

Regards

 

Mike

 

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1 hour ago, mikemeg said:

Lovely build and must agree with your comments about the LRM kit. For something drawn and developed around thirty years ago

Hi Mike,

 

Many thanks for your kind comments. I am surprised that the kit was developed all that time ago, it is really well thought out. The instructions are a bit sketchy in places but then I tend not to stick to them anyway (explains a lot I know!) a result of experience I guess.

 

I am getting worried about my modelling - I have a B9, V2, V4 and A4 to build and am ordering a B7 kit. Whats more I have a whole raft of Hornby LNER big engines and a J27 (spent a bit of time in NE sheds in the early 1960s on my free pass trips collecting engine numbers) on order. I MUST GET BACK TO SR MODELLING!

 

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Richard B

 

 

 

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22 hours ago, 30368 said:

Hi Mike,

 

Many thanks for your kind comments. I am surprised that the kit was developed all that time ago, it is really well thought out. The instructions are a bit sketchy in places but then I tend not to stick to them anyway (explains a lot I know!) a result of experience I guess.

 

I am getting worried about my modelling - I have a B9, V2, V4 and A4 to build and am ordering a B7 kit. Whats more I have a whole raft of Hornby LNER big engines and a J27 (spent a bit of time in NE sheds in the early 1960s on my free pass trips collecting engine numbers) on order. I MUST GET BACK TO SR MODELLING!

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard B

 

 

 

 

Richard,

 

Nothing to worry about with that list, especially the V2 and A4. I've been captivated by those machines since around 1958 and I still thrill to the sight and sound of one, even now, sixty odd years later.

 

There's a series, shown on Channel 5 - The Yorkshire Steam Railway - about the NYMR and one of the quotes of their General Manager was quite memorable - 'They are incredibly expensive to maintain and very labour intensive, these old steam locomotives, but they are beautiful things.'

 

Sums it up, pretty well. That's why we model them!!

 

It has been and is a real pleasure to follow this build and I look forward to following the builds on that list.

 

Regards

 

Mike

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As a final comment on your posting above, give that the edit function seems to be temporarily unavailable, you might like this photograph, taken in  April 1947 in Hull Dairycoates shed and posted courtesy of Mick Nicholson.

 

An ex GC 4-6-0, 1349 Glen Almond.

 

Cheers

 

Mike

 

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Mike,

 

Thanks so much for your kindly comments and for the picture - is that a J21 in the background?

 

Will probably have a break from loco building to continue with 70D layout and then on to a Urie S15 at some stage.

 

Have watched and enjoyed the NYM programme. Back in the 1980's I spent a week up there having a break from the family. Cleaned the Stephenson fitted Black Five 44767 and then helped to fire it for a few days.

 

For my 70th birthday treat I drove .....

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and with the most understanding and lovely wife a chap could have!

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 It was a fabulous day!

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard B

 

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Just a few pictures today - I've said enough already!

 

Soldered two channels on the inside of the cab roof so that it can be removed. When fitting the vacuum pipes along the running plate I discovered I had fitted the front steps the wrong way round easy to fix.

 

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Kind regards,

 

Richard B

 

 

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Richard,

 

Re the photo of the ex-GC 4-6-0, the loco in the background is an LNER J25 - No 5712. The J25 is distinguishable from the J21 by having slightly shallower splashers.

 

Cheers

 

Mike

 

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Loco is now complete and ready for painting. I am very happy with the result and, I hope, Ray would have liked it too. I can imagine him looking at it closely and then saying but you have missed the......followed by one of his full blooded laughs!

 

I have really enjoyed the build and LRM have done a good job with this kit. I hope the painting doesn't distract too much from the model as it now is.

 

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Can roof temp. fit.

 

 

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I hope we come out of lockdown in the near future (although not too soon, we seem to have done that  twice with bad results) so I can visit the Darlington Model Railway Club at North Road and hand the model over (when painted).

 

Thanks to everyone for showing interest and for all the help.

Kind regards,

 

Richard B

 

 

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On 24/02/2021 at 16:10, 30368 said:

The Push-Pull fitted G5's had a very busy bufferbeam! Not only 2 vacuum pipes and a steam heat pipe but the RCH lighting trip and set cables/supports and conduits. There won't be much space for red paint!

 

Conduit passes into cab to, I assume, the trip and set switch. Tanks side looks very rough, it is fairly smooth! Will polish up before etching primer applied.

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Front buffer beam has most components fitted. Still needs trip/set conduit and cables for connection to coaches and under bufferbeam pipework to vacuum hoses.

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Camara is very cruel!!

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Kind regards,

 

Richard B

Great build all round, just read to the 'ready for the paint shop end' :good:.

 

Can I please ask, what was the function of the two vac pipes - I don't think I've noticed this before - was it something to do with the push-pull arrangements?

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Hi Chas,

 

I am no expert but there were, I think, three Push - pull systems in use, air,vacuum and mechnically operated. The mechanical system was used by the GWR. Other railways used either air or vacuum or in some cases use dboth systems (although not on the same loco!).

 

Both air and vacuum used pressure difference across a diaphragm which will move in rough proportion to the pressure difference. The diaphragm is connected to a rod the movement of which can be used to operate the loco steam regulator again, in rough proportion to the pressure difference. You can see the diaphragm housing on the side of the smokebox and the operating lever on my model. I'm not sure if and how valve cut off was remotely controlled.

Hence one vacuum pipe is for the train brake and the second pipe is for transmitting the loco regulator position from the remote cab in the driving coach.

 

Incidently, the white metal castings are adapted from Alan Gibson LNWR components used by the Coal Tank.

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard B

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Hi Richard,

 

Re your comment about how valve cut off was remotely controlled, when the loco was being controlled from the driving trailer, I've heard from some folk who knew drivers who operated these push and pull services, that the fireman, who obviously remained in the loco's cab, often did rather more than just fire the loco.

 

All these 'working practices' now lost in the mists of time, perhaps!!

 

Regards

 

Mike

 

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2 hours ago, mikemeg said:

Re your comment about how valve cut off was remotely controlled, when the loco was being controlled from the driving trailer, I've heard from some folk who knew drivers who operated these push and pull

 

Hi Mike,

 

Yes that's what I had assumed, the fireman would have known the road and his drivers approach to the route as well as what was happening to the fire and the exhuast and would have intervened with the reverser. Like you though, I wasn't really sure.

 

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Richard B

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I wonder if the new G5, being built in Darlington, will be fitted with the LNER push/pull equipment? And if it is so fitted, will it be a working version?

 

Regards

 

Mike

 

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The new G5 is being built in Shildon in a unit on the Hackworth Industrial Estate. 

 

The project team recently interviewed a mate of mine's father who drove the G5 back in the 50s and is (they believe) the only man alive today to have done so. They interviewed him about how it drove and the character and idiosyncrasies of the class. 

 

G5 build documentation it almost looks like a kit of parts now!

 

Lovely model and one of my favourite NER classes (though I never saw one, being born in '59) I plan on building one in 7mm from the Connoisseur Models kit when I finally get my shed up and sorted some time this year!

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14 hours ago, Rumblestripe said:

The new G5 is being built in Shildon in a unit on the Hackworth Industrial Estate. 

Hi,

 

Thanks for the link to the G5 build. I started to donate to this build in January - it looks really professional with good progress.

 

Thanks for your kind comments and good luck with the 7mm version - building on that scale must be great and so much closer to the prototype.

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard B

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23 hours ago, 30368 said:

 

Hi Mike,

 

Yes that's what I had assumed, the fireman would have known the road and his drivers approach to the route as well as what was happening to the fire and the exhuast and would have intervened with the reverser. Like you though, I wasn't really sure.

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard B

The fireman might be a “passed fireman”  passed to drive perhaps?

 

 I am sure  I have heard this mentioned before.

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6 hours ago, Asterix2012 said:

The fireman might be a “passed fireman”  passed to drive perhaps?

 

 I am sure  I have heard this mentioned before.

On the LMS and GW so probably the same on the LNER there was a special grade of fireman passed out , deemed competent to operate the reverser as well as being able to look after their duties.  

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On 10/03/2021 at 10:29, 30368 said:

Hi Chas,

 

I am no expert but there were, I think, three Push - pull systems in use, air,vacuum and mechnically operated. The mechanical system was used by the GWR. Other railways used either air or vacuum or in some cases use dboth systems (although not on the same loco!).

 

Both air and vacuum used pressure difference across a diaphragm which will move in rough proportion to the pressure difference. The diaphragm is connected to a rod the movement of which can be used to operate the loco steam regulator again, in rough proportion to the pressure difference. You can see the diaphragm housing on the side of the smokebox and the operating lever on my model. I'm not sure if and how valve cut off was remotely controlled.

Hence one vacuum pipe is for the train brake and the second pipe is for transmitting the loco regulator position from the remote cab in the driving coach.

 

Incidently, the white metal castings are adapted from Alan Gibson LNWR components used by the Coal Tank.

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard B

Hi Richard, thank you - I thought it must be something like that, but I've not looked at push-pull arrangements before so I wasn't sure.

It does look quite unusual, with the two pipes - it helps the mdoel stand out from the crowd, doesn't it?

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Started to paint the G5. Using HMG/Railmatch One pack Etch Primer for the body and Railmatch matt black for the chassis.

 

 

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Body finish is fairly good with only a few areas needing flatting back before black top coats.

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Chassis undergoing final running in before weathering and lubrication.

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Kind regards,

 

Richard B

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Top coat now completed and started to line the loco with BR MT livery. I may well give this special loco an ex works look with very light weathering. I will also add coal unless Darlington Model Railway Club say otherwise.

Still a fair bit of painting to do in the cab and on the buffer beams that will need a very fine brush and a steady hand.

 

Re the push pull gear - I think the simple way to look at it as a second vacuum "brake" system the diaphram detecting driver changes to the vacuum and causing the piston on the side of the smoke box to move the regulator proportionatley.

Decal fix still wet.

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Kind regards,

 

Richard B

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Quick update. Loco body is now lined and numbered and first coat applied to buffer beams. I have ordered a 51A shed plate and front number transfer from Fox Transfers. When complete I plan to spray with satin varnish and then apply v.light powder bases weathering and coal - is that ok Darlington guys?

 

Wish I could find a suitable etched builders plate - any ideas?

 

Firemans side. Troubled by loco number size - but prototype seems to have had large numbers applied.

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Drivers side - lining on running plate front need attention!

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Kind regards,

 

Richard B

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Thanks Andy.

 

All done bar final lubrication and I may add a little weight to the bogie. When we are out of lockdown please contact me to arrange handover to the club.

 

 

Image of 67305 ex works X2.

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A contrast in size.

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I have really enjoyed this project and rate the London Road Models kit very highly. Very pleased it is going to a good home on Ray Goad's refurbished layout Tees Castle.

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard B

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