russellwar Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Hi everyone, I like the look of wills SSMP200 https://www.gaugemasterretail.com/magento/model-railways/wills-brand5/wills-ssmp200.html in order to recreate retaining walls like Sheffield (Shown here) However the sheets are only 13cm long and I am going to be needing at least 12 foot plus I intend to use the same material for the platform sides. Does anyone have any other ideas, either embossed or photo realistic options. I tried slaters and evergreen but could put really see anything suitable. I am not up to date with all the options or companies in this space. thanks Russell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ITG Posted December 25, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 25, 2020 (edited) Not used them yet, but the shop link below produce a huge range of brick and stone sheets, downloadable/printable at home, so probably more economic for a large quantity. I have them on my possible shopping list for a (probably) brick retaining wall. https://www.3dk.ca/product-page/ts009-textured-stone-wall-sheet Ian Edited December 25, 2020 by ITG 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted December 25, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 25, 2020 Faller does a wide range of embossed stone card sheets, some of which could be suitable. I don't know how they compare price-wise. Most of the ads. are from european retailers. They are for HO but as a backscene that might be beneficial. Beware - some suppliers seem to have high postage charges. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ikcdab Posted December 25, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 25, 2020 (edited) Scalescenes retaining wall. Excellent photo quality and for £3.99 you can print out as much as you want. variable heights, curves etc. several different finishes, stone, brick etc. Highly recommended. I am just building some for my layout. https://scalescenes.com/product/r013-retaining-wall/ Ian Edited December 25, 2020 by ikcdab 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted December 25, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 25, 2020 2 hours ago, ITG said: Not used them yet, but the shop link below produce a huge range of brick and stone sheets, downloadable/printable at home, so probably more economic for a large quantity. I have them on my possible shopping list for a (probably) brick retaining wall. https://www.3dk.ca/product-page/ts009-textured-stone-wall-sheet Ian How does the texturing work? What sort of printer do you need to get 3D texturing? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ITG Posted December 25, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 25, 2020 Just now, phil_sutters said: How does the texturing work? What sort of printer do you need to get 3D texturing? Tbh, I don’t know as I’ve not yet used/bought/downloaded them. I suspect they cannot actually be textured by printing, but maybe by DIY treatment after printing. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ikcdab Posted December 25, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 25, 2020 With the Scalescenes ones (which I highly recommend) of course they print out flat on paper. But then you can texture them by laying the sheets over course sandpaper and running the paper gently. It works ok 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEngineShed Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 I've used PS-64 and PS-82 and really like the patterns. Plus, the sheets are 300 x 175 mm, much larger than the Wills sheets. https://www.plastruct.com/search?page=2&q=stone+sheet 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Alder Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 Interesting - can you get them in the UK? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEngineShed Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 13 minutes ago, Ben Alder said: Interesting - can you get them in the UK? I'm in the US, but this is a UK Plastruct dealer: https://hobby.uk.com/materials/plastic.html 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Alder Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 Thanks very much - must take a look into these- never cottoned on to this part of their range. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium SHerr Posted December 26, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 26, 2020 Peco LK-40 (I think) is worth a look. It’s a printed vacuum formed sheet which at first sight looks quite basic but actually the colours are not bad and with a bit of weathering to tone it down look reasonable- certainly at the back of a layout. I think you can still get them although a quick search tonight I struggled a little to find them, they come in sheets a little under A4 and would need mounting on card but not bad at all for their primitive origins. The ‘straight out of the pack’ item is what’s used on the platform walls below. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Alder Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 Would these be of any use? Textured wallpaper type finish. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12-SHEETS-bumpy-EMBOSSED-BRICK-stone-wall-paper-21x28cm-HO-1-87/392313695374 Here is an example of it on a building. 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted December 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 26, 2020 Whilst a bit light on pictures, these are large sheets with less need to join; http://www.sefinecast.co.uk/Building Materials/Building Materials.htm Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Gilbert Posted December 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 26, 2020 20 minutes ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Whilst a bit light on pictures, these are large sheets with less need to join; http://www.sefinecast.co.uk/Building Materials/Building Materials.htm Mike. Can't comment on the stone products but I've certainly used their brickwork. I think I prefer it to the Slaters equivalent. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
russellwar Posted December 26, 2020 Author Share Posted December 26, 2020 9 hours ago, Ben Alder said: Would these be of any use? Textured wallpaper type finish. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12-SHEETS-bumpy-EMBOSSED-BRICK-stone-wall-paper-21x28cm-HO-1-87/392313695374 Here is an example of it on a building. This looks interesting, just a little concerned about a seller in Greece and supplier from China, but at that price it may be worth the risk 2 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Whilst a bit light on pictures, these are large sheets with less need to join; http://www.sefinecast.co.uk/Building Materials/Building Materials.htm Mike. shame there are no pics, as the brickwork below looks good. 9 hours ago, SHerr said: Peco LK-40 (I think) is worth a look. It’s a printed vacuum formed sheet which at first sight looks quite basic but actually the colours are not bad and with a bit of weathering to tone it down look reasonable- certainly at the back of a layout. I think you can still get them although a quick search tonight I struggled a little to find them, they come in sheets a little under A4 and would need mounting on card but not bad at all for their primitive origins. The ‘straight out of the pack’ item is what’s used on the platform walls below. The only issue here are the stones are uniform in size unlike the brickwork in Sheffield. 10 hours ago, TheEngineShed said: I've used PS-64 and PS-82 and really like the patterns. Plus, the sheets are 300 x 175 mm, much larger than the Wills sheets. https://www.plastruct.com/search?page=2&q=stone+sheet will see if I can find some bigger pics, thanks 14 hours ago, ikcdab said: Scalescenes retaining wall. Excellent photo quality and for £3.99 you can print out as much as you want. variable heights, curves etc. several different finishes, stone, brick etc. Highly recommended. I am just building some for my layout. https://scalescenes.com/product/r013-retaining-wall/ Ian I always wonder what the photo quality will be like on a big scale, whether it then looks to artificial or flat 14 hours ago, ITG said: Not used them yet, but the shop link below produce a huge range of brick and stone sheets, downloadable/printable at home, so probably more economic for a large quantity. I have them on my possible shopping list for a (probably) brick retaining wall. https://www.3dk.ca/product-page/ts009-textured-stone-wall-sheet Ian thanks not heard of there, will look at their site Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Alder Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 "This looks interesting, just a little concerned about a seller in Greece and supplier from China, but at that price it may be worth the risk" I found them by chance and have dealt with them two or three times, with no problems. They arrive quickly and cater for several scales, including dolls houses and the seller has nearly 20000 positives so no reason to worry. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific231G Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 12 hours ago, phil_sutters said: How does the texturing work? What sort of printer do you need to get 3D texturing? The processes are known by printers as embossing and debossing but the basic technical aspects are pretty much the same (and probably use the same machine) Using heat and pressure, a metal plate containing a design, text or a pattern is pressed into a suitable stock to form a raised (embossed) or lowered (debossed) image. For embossing you need a front and back die and it raises details on the front of paper. For debossing you just need a front die and it leaves the back surface smooth. If you look at the posher of the Christmas cards you've received this year you'll probably find examples of both (if it has an embossed design on one side but is smooth on the other they may have laminated the embossed paper onto a backing piece) Traditional letterpress (metal type) printing does deboss the page very slightly. That's usually just a side effect of pressing the type onto the paper to transfer the ink but for textures and particularly what we would need for building papers it would require more pressure and a suitable stock; for stonework or roof tiles I think one would need embossing. Modern printing is though based on offset litho where the ink is finally transferred onto the paper via an offset or blanket cylinder that picks up the ink from an aluminium plate where an oil and water not mixing process puts the ink only where it's needed. I don't know whether textured building papers are embossed or debossed - I would guess embossed but it would depend on the depth of impression needed. In either case, though I don't know for certain, I assume that that the building paper would have to be colour printed and dried before being embossed/debossed to produce the texture. The processes would need to line up accurately of course but that's what printers do. Some of the buildign papes I have look as if they were embossed using fairly thin stock that was then laminated onto thicker stock to give it adequate strength. I have no idea of costs for this and it isn't something I'd expect you local InstaPrint shop to do but I don't think it's beyond the capabilities of a 'proper' printer. The printers who handle the Journal I edit sent me a Christmas card this year in the form of a jigsaw puzzle and they'd obviously printed it first onto thick mutlilayered card glued only at the edges then used a press to die cut it. Solving it was made easier by the impression of the die-cut going through to the base of the card but it took me about fifteen minutes on a locked down Christmas morning so kept my attention far longer than the micely printed but ordinary card from the accountant so was a good piece of marketing. I was always rather sorry when Metcalfe stopped embossing their buidling sheets. It added cost but though I've used their embossed (using the term loosely) papers I have no use for the current range. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
russellwar Posted December 26, 2020 Author Share Posted December 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Ben Alder said: "This looks interesting, just a little concerned about a seller in Greece and supplier from China, but at that price it may be worth the risk" I found them by chance and have dealt with them two or three times, with no problems. They arrive quickly and cater for several scales, including dolls houses and the seller has nearly 20000 positives so no reason to worry. i really like the look and qty to price it was a no brainer. Will see what turns Up. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
russellwar Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share Posted January 6, 2021 (edited) Very fast delivery actually from Greece, so not sure where the China part came in on the Email description. A nice bundle of A4 sheets, my only criticism would life would have been easier if they were landscape and not portrait orientation. However the colouring is great, a nice mix and I think fairly close to what I need. I will make up some test walls in due course. Now the interesting and clever part (it took me a couple of days to realise as I never looked at the back.) It is textured as the photos shows. So when you look from the front side you get some feel rather than some photo papers that I dislike. However it wasn't until I turned it over that I realised the pattern doesn't match the bricks and is actually just wallpaper (which is what the ebay description says). The great thing is you turn it over and as the wall print is so 'busy' you cannot tell from any normal viewing distance and you really have to stare to notice. Thanks @Ben Alder for the recommendation. Will post some wall pics when I get that far. Edited January 6, 2021 by russellwar 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon s Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 (edited) Similar experience to mine. You may be interested in my discussion with the supplier...... Edited January 6, 2021 by gordon s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
russellwar Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share Posted January 6, 2021 Interesting. Definitely a hobby business by the way it was packed and send but good to hear he offered the landscape ones. I never thought of it and have already posted +ve feedback. I need to look at the sizing in advance if I reorder and then would probably message in advance to be on the safe side Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 On 25/12/2020 at 19:43, ikcdab said: Scalescenes retaining wall. Excellent photo quality and for £3.99 you can print out as much as you want. variable heights, curves etc. several different finishes, stone, brick etc. Highly recommended. I am just building some for my layout. https://scalescenes.com/product/r013-retaining-wall/ Ian Yes, agreed, I've built a four-foot long retaining wall just like that, with the optional ashlar stone version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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