carlwebus Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 Another batch of unknowns from a job lot bought at auction. I'm finding it fascinating to locate and identify these: Photo 7 looks vaguely Irish to me (on the basis that the locos further down the line look pretty well GNR(I)) ? Photo 8 looks rather Caledonian to my eye. Photos 9 & 11 are F Moore's Railway Photographs but, try as I might, I cannot identify them for certain. No. 9 looks Caledonian to me. Aggravatingly I have found photo 11 on a website - but it just calls it loco and train! Any ideas what/ where/ when? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley739 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 (edited) 8 is a Caledonian 0-4-4T at Beattock Summit. It has just dropped off the train it banked from Beattock. Edited December 29, 2020 by Caley739 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Moxy Posted December 29, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 29, 2020 I agree some are possibly Irish, but I'm not certain. This website https://transportsofdelight.smugmug.com/RAILWAYS/IRISH-RAILWAYS/GREAT-SOUTHERN-RAILWAY-STEAM/i-3xQkqWL has the most comprehensive collection of Irish locos I've found, but none of the examples seem to match that website. Could photo 7 be the 'English' Great Northern Railway perhaps? Photo 9 is an LNWR coach, probably at Crewe or Wolverton, if it's an official photo. Moxy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Moxy said: I agree some are possibly Irish, but I'm not certain. This website https://transportsofdelight.smugmug.com/RAILWAYS/IRISH-RAILWAYS/GREAT-SOUTHERN-RAILWAY-STEAM/i-3xQkqWL has the most comprehensive collection of Irish locos I've found, but none of the examples seem to match that website. Could photo 7 be the 'English' Great Northern Railway perhaps? Photo 9 is an LNWR coach, probably at Crewe or Wolverton, if it's an official photo. Moxy I tend to agree that photo 7 looks like 'English' GN, Stirling/Ivatt era(?) but the tender is much more GC. The loco looks as if it's Irish broad gauge. Knowing not that much about Irish railways, did any have contractor built locos, possibly Beyer Peacock given the similarity to a GC tender? Edit: looking up Wikipedia there seem to be quite a number of B-P built 0-6-0s Edited December 29, 2020 by great central Add last paragraph Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 11 is a Sharp Stewart 2-4-0. Possibly South Eastern Railway. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Moxy Posted December 29, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, great central said: I tend to agree that photo 7 looks like 'English' GN, Stirling/Ivatt era(?) but the tender is much more GC. The loco looks as if it's Irish broad gauge. Knowing not that much about Irish railways, did any have contractor built locos, possibly Beyer Peacock given the similarity to a GC tender? Yes, they did. The GNR(I) had a lot of Beyer Peacock 0-6-0s of SG/SG2/SG3 type (SG being Superheater Goods). On reflection, I think you're right, they probably are GNR(I) Beyer Peacocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 (edited) Definite family likeness? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_Preservation_Society_of_Ireland Looks like one of these, a class A 0-6-0, proving difficult to find much other information, that's as much as the photo caption gives. Edit: found a bit more, some were Beyer Peacock built, others looking similar were built at Dundalk, there's a few pictures in an album on smugmug but I can't get it to link Edited December 29, 2020 by great central Add last paragraph Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley739 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 31 minutes ago, great central said: I tend to agree that photo 7 looks like 'English' GN, Stirling/Ivatt era(?) but the tender is much more GC. The loco looks as if it's Irish broad gauge. Knowing not that much about Irish railways, did any have contractor built locos, possibly Beyer Peacock given the similarity to a GC tender? Edit: looking up Wikipedia there seem to be quite a number of B-P built 0-6-0s 48 minutes ago, Moxy said: I agree some are possibly Irish, but I'm not certain. This website https://transportsofdelight.smugmug.com/RAILWAYS/IRISH-RAILWAYS/GREAT-SOUTHERN-RAILWAY-STEAM/i-3xQkqWL has the most comprehensive collection of Irish locos I've found, but none of the examples seem to match that website. Could photo 7 be the 'English' Great Northern Railway perhaps? Photo 9 is an LNWR coach, probably at Crewe or Wolverton, if it's an official photo. Moxy I believe that 7 are Irish Great Northern. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium t-b-g Posted December 29, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 29, 2020 (edited) A nice collection. My first thought for the first one was the GNR(I) Class A and it seems that others agree. It is interesting that the tender has such a GCR look as Robinson worked in Ireland for the Waterford, Limerick and Western before he went to the GCR. Perhaps he took the idea with him when he went! No 11 is very like a Sacre 2-4-0 for the MS&LR but there are enough detail differences to rule that out. Edited December 29, 2020 by t-b-g To add content Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Moxy Posted December 29, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Moxy said: I agree some are possibly Irish, but I'm not certain. This website https://transportsofdelight.smugmug.com/RAILWAYS/IRISH-RAILWAYS/GREAT-SOUTHERN-RAILWAY-STEAM/i-3xQkqWL has the most comprehensive collection of Irish locos I've found, but none of the examples seem to match that website. The reason I couldn't find them in that album I linked to earlier is because it's the wrong album! That is the Great Southern/CIE album. If this link works, https://transportsofdelight.smugmug.com/RAILWAYS/IRISH-RAILWAYS/ULSTER-TRANSPORT-AUTHORITY-1/i-R6WNMCS it should take you straight to a GNR(I) Beyer Peacock SG class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Photo 9 in LNWR, probably a 50ft arc roof non-corridor composite. It looks new so may be a "publicity" photo. The carriage in the background could be an early 42ft diner. That might mean that the photo was taken at Wolverstone when the 50ft composite was newly out-shopped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlwebus Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 Hi All Fabulous response! That nicely pins them all down - even photo 7. Having looked at the GNR(I) A class pic on the edited great central response, I'm convinced it is a GNR(I) class A. People seem to enjoy looking at these interesting pics and the challenge they sometimes present. If its not getting all too boring I'll put some more up. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
108 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 No. 7 is definitely GNRI. Most likely an A or AL class. The roof in the right background was unique to the concrete roundhouses at Portadown and Clones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boldon Boy Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 No 11 is I think a West Lancashire Railway engine, one of two bought in 1883 from the LBSCR. It is probably WLR No 8 Blackburn, formerly LBSCR No 363 (info from Vol 3 John Marshall's 'Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway'), which gained a MSLR chimney and a tender weatherboard. It was withdrawn in 1890. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Boldon Boy said: No 11 is I think a West Lancashire Railway engine, one of two bought in 1883 from the LBSCR. It is probably WLR No 8 Blackburn, formerly LBSCR No 363 (info from Vol 3 John Marshall's 'Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway'), which gained a MSLR chimney and a tender weatherboard. It was withdrawn in 1890. Bingo! https://transportsofdelight.smugmug.com/RAILWAYS/LOCOMOTIVES-OF-THE-LMS-CONSTITUENT-COMPANIES/LOCOMOTIVES-OF-THE-LANCASHIRE-YORKSHIRE-RAILWAY/i-WtFtVJ8 I had an inkling it was from one of the South Coast railways as the SER and LCDR also had similar locomotives. Didn't expect it to be L&Y! I'm wondering now whether that is Southport Central. http://disused-stations.org.uk/s/southport_central/index20.shtml Jason Edited January 1, 2021 by Steamport Southport Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlwebus Posted January 5, 2021 Author Share Posted January 5, 2021 SO Photo 11 not Sharp Stewart but actually built at Brighton Works November 1874. AND a location for photo No 7! Fascinating stuff. Many thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted January 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 5, 2021 I believe Ratio/Parkside do a plastic kit for the LNWR coach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Not that one. The Ratio LNWR carriage kits are for corridor stock. The one pictured is a 50ft arc roof non -corridor. Without access to my library (it's in the workshop at the top of the garden) I can't identify the Diagram number but London Road Models do a range of LNWR carriages of this type; https://traders.scalefour.org/LondonRoadModels/carriages/lnwr-carriages/ This is one of my models built from the LRM all third D289. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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